All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Well again, that's the problem with the Democrats trying to push a candidate on the far, far left. If she dials it back she looks indecisive and inconsistent. If she pushes forward she loses any shot of winning even moderately conservative states.

There's a reason why the Democratic presidents over the last 44 years have been more moderate.

Far-left policies like "Medicare for All" and so on are incredibly popular and indeed many left policies once implemented, like social welfare and so on, stay on the books. Obamacare was quite popular and is quite popular with a lot of Republican voters, it's just that in their district and place it's not called Obamacare or ACA. That was the reason why McCain cast the famous thumbs down during the Obamacare repeal bill...because again Red voters liked the policy once it was implemented. Again, the Republicans had a trifecta in 2016-2018 -- the WH, the Senate, and the House. In that time the only major legislation they passed was the tax cut. They didn't repeal or overturn Social Security, cancel Medicaid, cancel Obamacare or anything. So I don't think a candidate going far, far left is fated to lose.

Left-wing policies are popular and have staying power, they just need to find a way to get it across.

[kingaliencracker]

Far-left policies like "Medicare for All" and so on are incredibly popular and indeed many left policies once implemented, like social welfare and so on, stay on the books. Obamacare was quite popular and is quite popular with a lot of Republican voters, it's just that in their district and place it's not called Obamacare or ACA. That was the reason why McCain cast the famous thumbs down during the Obamacare repeal bill...because again Red voters liked the policy once it was implemented. Again, the Republicans had a trifecta in 2016-2018 -- the WH, the Senate, and the House. In that time the only major legislation they passed was the tax cut. They didn't repeal or overturn Social Security, cancel Medicaid, cancel Obamacare or anything. So I don't think a candidate going far, far left is fated to lose.

Left-wing policies are popular and have staying power, they just need to find a way to get it across.

I think lots of left-wing and right-wing polices are popular and have staying power. But let me just call a spade a spade. The Democrats will be hard pressed to push a young socialist as their candidate in traditionally red or swing states. That's why despite Sanders' popularity he never got on the ballot. Maybe that will change in the next several years, who knows? But I don't see it changing in the foreseeable future.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

another thing that bothers me is people i know didn't vote and seem to think that none of this affects them.

Well which state are you from? If it's a safe blue state, then it's forgivable (albeit frowned upon), not so much if it was one of the tossups.

I think Obama had less to do with Trump's victory than Hillary being the opposing candidate.

I think Obama had everything to do with Trump's candidacy. He is a lifelong white supremacist whose big political stunt was the "birther conspiracy" (aka Fake News 1.0) and the obvious racist resentment he felt towards someone who embodied American meritocracy (because to him and other white ressenters, Obama making it on merit means they have to accept an African-American can earn his way to be their equal and better, and they can't accept that).

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Double post please delete

[Venomous Mask]

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't believe all this stuff about fraud and votes being 'found,' but I did find this somewhat unsettling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w

[kingaliencracker]

I think Obama had everything to do with Trump's candidacy. He is a lifelong white supremacist whose big political stunt was the "birther conspiracy" (aka Fake News 1.0) and the obvious racist resentment he felt towards someone who embodied American meritocracy (because to him and other white ressenters, Obama making it on merit means they have to accept an African-American can earn his way to be their equal and better, and they can't accept that).

If Obama could have ran against Trump in 2016, Obama would have won. If the birther issue, which was brought up during the 2008 election, was such a massive deal with Trumpists, Obama wouldn't have won again in 2012.

I'm not saying Obama had nothing to do with Trump's rise since there certainly were supporters of his who did not like having a minority president and voted for Trump because of that. But I think that discounts how poorly people viewed Hillary as a candidate in 2016 as well as the Russian meddling with the election.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I think Obama had less to do with Trump's victory than Hillary being the opposing candidate.

I think it has less to do about Obama in isolation and more that the Democratic Party wanted/s to pretend that Obama was this very successful and satisfying Presidency that can be a centerpiece for modern Democratic politics and can’t read the room that the idolization and, more particularly, the fierce resistance to criticism is a big turnoff to people that felt either burned or unhappy with the totality of it. It’s just tone deaf and you had two consecutive candidates like that and it led to underwhelming results.

Another part was strategic blunders

[master of read]

Well which state are you from? If it's a safe blue state, then it's forgivable (albeit frowned upon), not so much if it was one of the tossups.



I think Obama had everything to do with Trump's candidacy. He is a lifelong white supremacist whose big political stunt was the "birther conspiracy" (aka Fake News 1.0) and the obvious racist resentment he felt towards someone who embodied American meritocracy (because to him and other white ressenters, Obama making it on merit means they have to accept an African-American can earn his way to be their equal and better, and they can't accept that).

texas but the friends i see making these statements don't live here. their thinking: "both parties suck so i'm not gonna vote."

[Joker]

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't believe all this stuff about fraud and votes being 'found,' but I did find this somewhat unsettling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w

Okay, please don't blind link to conspiracy **** on youtube. That's going to give it more traffic than it should get. Why don't you tell us who it is and what they're saying.

Also, it's going to potentially put that kind of nonsense into people's algorithms, and nobody needs that. But stop giving fucking youtube idiots clicks. Read legitimate news sites.

[Venomous Mask]

Okay, please don't blind link to conspiracy **** on youtube. That's going to give it more traffic than it should get. Why don't you tell us who it is and what they're saying.

It's a person from the Trump campaign stating that he and his crew were allowed in to monitor vote counting. Again, I don't believe all of this conspiracy stuff, I was just wondering if anyone else had read or heard about similar things happening.

[ChangingStation]

I think lots of left-wing and right-wing polices are popular and have staying power. But let me just call a spade a spade. The Democrats will be hard pressed to push a young socialist as their candidate in traditionally red or swing states. That's why despite Sanders' popularity he never got on the ballot. Maybe that will change in the next several years, who knows? But I don't see it changing in the foreseeable future.

True, though you are underestimating the power of grassroots movements that AOC and her allies use. I don't expect it to happen soon, but they are trying to bring these ideas to the table.

[Powerboy]

Far-left policies like "Medicare for All" and so on are incredibly popular and indeed many left policies once implemented, like social welfare and so on, stay on the books. Obamacare was quite popular and is quite popular with a lot of Republican voters, it's just that in their district and place it's not called Obamacare or ACA. That was the reason why McCain cast the famous thumbs down during the Obamacare repeal bill...because again Red voters liked the policy once it was implemented. Again, the Republicans had a trifecta in 2016-2018 -- the WH, the Senate, and the House. In that time the only major legislation they passed was the tax cut. They didn't repeal or overturn Social Security, cancel Medicaid, cancel Obamacare or anything. So I don't think a candidate going far, far left is fated to lose.

Left-wing policies are popular and have staying power, they just need to find a way to get it across.

I have to be honest and say I don't see many Conservatives liking Obamacare.

First, it's a watered down version of the National Healthcare that was intended. Secondly, all most Conservatives see is their hours getting cut to under thirty so businesses could avoid paying the healthcare, while having to get two jobs. They see that far more readily in their faces everyday than they consciously see the benefits.

Arguing the reality of the benefits is irrelevant. It's not the perception conservatives have.

[babyblob]

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't believe all this stuff about fraud and votes being 'found,' but I did find this somewhat unsettling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2V5hPPp6w

I Dont know this guy so I cant say. but I know a lot of these so called poll workers/volunteers/republican press were people who just showed up at random. no one gave them permission to be there, no press credentials, and in a couple cases even the Republican campaign office in the county had not idea who these people were.

I dont know how it is in every state but I think in my state poll watchers have to be approved before hand and agreed to by the county election board and both sides. Press that are going to cover have to get permission before hand. A person just cant show up on election day or when they are counting ballets and say Oh yea I am a poll watcher/member of the press. Which from what I understand a lot fo these GOP "Workers/Press" being turned away tried to do.

If he was approved ahead of time and turned away that is not right. But pretty much all these so called workers are people who showed up last minute and tried to force their way inside.

[kingaliencracker]

True, though you are underestimating the power of grassroots movements that AOC and her allies use. I don't expect it to happen soon, but they are trying to bring these ideas to the table.

They are popular with the media, the far left, and within their own districts. They're certainly not popular in say, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Nebraska, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida......

You see where I'm going with this? Now again, that may change but a Democratic candidate in order to win the Presidency as the US is currently constructed has to turn some red states blue, and the only Democratic candidates who've been able to do that in the past 44 years were substantially more moderate than AOC or The Squad.

[Jackalope89]

I have to be honest and say I don't see many Conservatives liking Obamacare.

First, it's a watered down version of the National Healthcare that was intended. Secondly, all most Conservatives see is their hours getting cut to under thirty so businesses could avoid paying the healthcare, while having to get two jobs. They see that far more readily in their faces everyday than they consciously see the benefits.

Arguing the reality of the benefits is irrelevant. It's not the perception conservatives have.

A lot of places call it the ACA, and some use ACA and Obamacare to practically describe 2 different things, despite being one and the same.