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    Quote Originally Posted by TheManInBlack View Post
    This, right here, is the issue. Things like self-selecting social media and 'news' organizations form massive bubbles that almost no one can see in or out of.

    Facebook is a great example of this: Like or 'love' several things that lean Democrat? It shows you more of it and less of the other stuff, even people on your friends lists. That trend goes on for years and by then you'll only see 99% liberal stuff. Twitter and Instagram do the same thing. You begin to think that the entire world is with you other than those nameless, faceless evil deplorables. Meanwhile the EXACT same thing happens on the other side where Republicans think that their view is normal and anyone outside their bubble is a nameless, faceless, far leftist. CNN and MSNBC are a constant deluge of 'Trump insane and racist, Biden good!' While Fox is a constant deluge of 'Trump good, Biden senile!' Once you're exposed to years of that brainwashing where we believe in the absolute good and evil of each side, it's all over and I don't know how to resolve it. I'm looking forward to the inevitable replies proving my point.
    Definitely. The only way I can think of that will stop this would be to A) campaign for a removal of these algorithms and B) actually talk to each other face to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangingStation View Post
    There's AOC? She's a good candidate considering she has talent at grassroots campaign that Bernie doesn't, and she is more eloquent. Her fame also helps her. Might be unlikely tho.
    She's popular among activists, but there's no indication she'll do well in a statewide primary, let alone a national general election.

    It'll be interesting to see how she polls in hypothetical matchups now that she is eligible for President in the next cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Far-left policies like "Medicare for All" and so on are incredibly popular and indeed many left policies once implemented, like social welfare and so on, stay on the books. Obamacare was quite popular and is quite popular with a lot of Republican voters, it's just that in their district and place it's not called Obamacare or ACA. That was the reason why McCain cast the famous thumbs down during the Obamacare repeal bill...because again Red voters liked the policy once it was implemented. Again, the Republicans had a trifecta in 2016-2018 -- the WH, the Senate, and the House. In that time the only major legislation they passed was the tax cut. They didn't repeal or overturn Social Security, cancel Medicaid, cancel Obamacare or anything. So I don't think a candidate going far, far left is fated to lose.

    Left-wing policies are popular and have staying power, they just need to find a way to get it across.
    Medicare For All polls pretty badly, when people find out they won't be able to choose an alternative.

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    Probably not.

    First, a court has ruled on it, so the individual would have an argument they're acting in good faith.

    Poll watchers are given a wide degree of latitude, because it's considered a good thing to have observers monitoring the election process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    The thing I really love about this election is how high the turnout was and how many people came out and said Screw you to Trump and his way of thinking. But on the flip side I am saddened by just how many people voted for Trump knowing just who and what he is.

    The fact is there are close to 69 million people who voted for Trump. How does the country come back from that in the future I have no idea.

    And I hear people saying well they are racists/nutjobs/etc. that cant be reached. The thing is if we want a untied country we cant just discount everyone who voted for Trump. There has to be a way to try and reach at least some of them. I have faced this. I voted for Trump in 2016. I have pretty much always been treated as a rascist/homophbe/right wing nut job when ever I talked to my Dem friends or went to Democratic events.

    On the flip side Dems are all treated as socialists who want to destroy the government and want to give everything to the illegals and kill babies.

    This election just made me see just how far apart we really are. (not that the last few years havnt given me some idea)
    Actually that’s less encouraging for me. The traditional thought is higher turnout favors Democrats but in this case it looks the higher turnout just raised both Biden and Trump and some slight Democratic shifts over many more votes made the difference.

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    This was going to be the Trump tactic with any result that was going to be remotely close. I wouldn't stress over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangingStation View Post
    Then let me be the first to say, you aren't racist. You aren't homophobic. And you aren't a nutjob. I apologise for anyone who does say that. At worst you're someone was either willing to believe in the party you voted for all your life, believed in him or didn't want to vote for Clinton. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong. And insulting you like that just makes it worse.
    Thank you. I havnt really gotten any of that on this board. most people have been cool. There have been some disagreements but fot he most part things have stayed civil. That is what I like about this forum. even when the members disagree there is little in the way of personal attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    This was going to be the Trump tactic with any result that was going to be remotely close. I wouldn't stress over it.
    Thing is, I'm prety sure they can't. I'm not sure of the legal details but it would be along the lines of Election tampering or fraud or something like that if they did. State Legislatures can't just ignore the results of an election.

    If they could, there would be no need for voter suppression, gerrymandering, and other things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Thing is, I'm prety sure they can't. I'm not sure of the legal details but it would be along the lines of Election tampering or fraud or something like that if they did. State Legislatures can't just ignore the results of an election.

    If they could, there would be no need for voter suppression, gerrymandering, and other things like that.
    It also would start off wide scale riots and send the country into chaos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangingStation View Post
    Definitely. The only way I can think of that will stop this would be to A) campaign for a removal of these algorithms and B) actually talk to each other face to face.
    From your mouth to the ears of whatever god/s are listening!

    There have been several experiments showing that if you actually get Biden supporters and Trump supporters face to face in a room, that they come away understanding each other much better. The problem is the bubbles and the mobs and the peer pressure. Take that away and talk one on one and you can't strip the humanity from the other. You have to actually listen and think for yourself. Mobs and mass demonization spurred on by catered info-tainment and social media algorithms are ripping the fabric of society apart.

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    If Trump loses both Arizona and Georgia, thus loses his Presidency it will be poetic justice for the two late John’s - Lewis and McCain. They would be smiling together laughing it up in heaven seeing their respective states become the thing that undoes their arch-nemesis’s presidency forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheManInBlack View Post
    This, right here, is the issue. Things like self-selecting social media and 'news' organizations form massive bubbles that almost no one can see in or out of.

    Facebook is a great example of this: Like or 'love' several things that lean Democrat? It shows you more of it and less of the other stuff, even people on your friends lists. That trend goes on for years and by then you'll only see 99% liberal stuff. Twitter and Instagram do the same thing. You begin to think that the entire world is with you other than those nameless, faceless evil deplorables. Meanwhile the EXACT same thing happens on the other side where Republicans think that their view is normal and anyone outside their bubble is a nameless, faceless, far leftist. CNN and MSNBC are a constant deluge of 'Trump insane and racist, Biden good!' While Fox is a constant deluge of 'Trump good, Biden senile!' Once you're exposed to years of that brainwashing where we believe in the absolute good and evil of each side, it's all over and I don't know how to resolve it. I'm looking forward to the inevitable replies proving my point.
    Biden said it last night, we are NOT enemies.

    We may be on the other side of the political divide but that does NOT make us enemies.

    However, that doesn't include racists or bigots because those guys are objectively wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    The polls (whatever they may be worth) actually gave Biden a wider lead before the pandemic.

    But that was also before the primaries, so...

    If we're going strictly by polling history, Covid seems to have slightly HELPED Trump, not harmed him.

    Thanks, although that helps with my argument, I was going on information from interviews with notable pollsters in regards to key states like Wisconsin, before March.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/wisconsin/

    At any right, I am just happy Biden won, I don't understand Democrats on this forum engaging in negative criticism, it's not easy unseating an incumbent President. Once it's confirmed it's time to celebrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus Arkham View Post
    If Trump loses both Arizona and Georgia, thus loses his Presidency it will be poetic justice for the two late John’s - Lewis and McCain. They would be smiling together laughing it up in heaven seeing their respective states become the thing that undoes their arch-nemesis’s presidency forever.
    If Arizona goes to Biden, Trump has himself to blame.

    At every turn he denigrated McCain and from what I'm reading today, it really turned off a lot of people.

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