All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[ed2962]

Illinois Primaries tomorrow. I early voted over the weekend, it's interesting how few people were there...

[Kirby101]

Simple...

The first thing you do is grasp the incredibly basic reality that the entire party will have to face the consequences of that they did not.

Getting hung up on "How could we have got them to change their votes?..."

It's a really good way to wind up losing.

You need to seriously consider how you can win even though you did not deliver.

So you have no answer. Okay.

[numberthirty]

So you have no answer. Okay.

The answer is right there...

If someone is digging their heels in on that someone else has to be able to give them an answer instead of grasping that the actual reality is...

"You have to deal with the consequences of what happened because that is just how reality works..."

That person with their heels dug in?

They are paving the road to ruin...

[Kirby101]

You really think no Senator or Biden himself did not use that argument with the two of them. Are you that naive?

[Mister Mets]

Didn't want to quote and respond Mets, but what's with the Beto-mania with certain folks? I see nothing there at all. Not even that kind of slimy/phony charm you get from the Edwards/Mayor Pete/Gavin Newsom types. I ask honestly, he's done nothing to offend me or make me want to not vote for him. I just look at the guy and honestly can't tell why he's a thing. It's like seeing Jeremy Renner in a hundred mega-blockbusters, but not seeing him adding an ounce to them beyond what your average sitcom actor could have done in his place. What's the appeal?

My point on Beto was more that there should be people within the Democratic party to recognize talent that hasn't gotten a national stage yet. Politically, if you could do that during a veepstakes, you could generate a lot of excitement for an older candidate by picking a star in the making.

I think he's a decent political talent who did really well to come within three points of a famous incumbent in Texas. That kind of swing in a presidential race is going to lead to Democrats winning North Carolina and Florida.

The Democrats do have a shortage of impressive candidates under fifty (the main measure of rock-star quality), so he's someone who could have been a much bigger figure. He's probably going nowhere politically, because his presidential campaign flopped and he's shifted positions so many times that he's so obviously inauthentic.

Incidentally, I think Renner's a hell of an actor. He deserved the two Oscar noms.

The answer is right there...

If someone is digging their heels in on that someone else has to be able to give them an answer instead of grasping that the actual reality is...

"You have to deal with the consequences of what happened because that is just how reality works..."

That person with their heels dug in?

They are paving the road to ruin...

What consequences should President Biden try to push against Manchin?

[numberthirty]

You really think no Senator or Biden himself did not use that argument with the two of them. Are you that naive?

Politely, you are laying out a literal non-issue.

Milk's been spilled. The exact "How?..." it got spilled?

Almost nobody wants to hear it.

What they are going to need to hear is exactly why they should buy in when you have shown them that you are may very well spill another glass of milk.

Which is an entirely reasonable concern.

[numberthirty]

...

What consequences should President Biden try to push against Manchin?

The "Consequences..." have nothing to do with Manchin now.

The "Consequences...", put simply, are -

"You did not come through on BBB. No matter what reasons you have for exactly how that you did not is somehow an acceptable outcome? For lots of folks? It will not be."

Those are the consequences.

Folks have a perfectly logical reason to suspect that you will not come through on what you say you will.

No matter how solid you believe that the "But..." you have might be?

You've got to run in the actual reality that folks have a perfectly good reason to believe that you will not deliver, and turn out accordingly.

[Tendrin]

DoOOomM

Democrats have regained the favor of voters to control Congress, with 48% saying they are more likely to vote for a Democratic candidate in the fall and 41% more likely to vote for a Republican. In April, Republicans led on that question in the poll 47% to 44%, which was within the margin of error. However, the lead for Democrats may not translate into maintaining control due to the way voters are geographically distributed and how boundaries of congressional districts are drawn.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/11077..._medium=social

Gerrymandering may mean a D+7 result won't be control of congress. Republicans can (and will) argue that this is perfectly okay, but a majority of the people being constantly thwarted in their ability to have their will represented is ultimately unsustainable.

[JB]

46 migrants have been found dead inside a semi-truck in San Antonio and 16 have been hospitalized, authorities say

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/us/sa...uck/index.html

The US Department of Homeland Security's investigation unit was alerted by San Antonio police to "an alleged human smuggling event" and is leading the investigation, a spokesperson from Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Monday.

The border continues to be a disaster and this atrocity should be headline news everywhere.
I'm so exhausted with everything. Prayers to the survivors and families of those lost.

[4saken1]

Simple...

The first thing you do is grasp the incredibly basic reality that the entire party will have to face the consequences of that they did not.

Getting hung up on "How could we have got them to change their votes?..."

It's a really good way to wind up losing.

You need to seriously consider how you can win even though you did not deliver.

Manchin does not have a mandate to represent the will of Democratic voters across the country. Nor is he beholden to mitigate the consequences that his actions have on the Democratic Party as a whole. In reality, he doesn't just represent the Democrats of West Virginia. He represents ALL of West Virginia and does what he thinks will benefit the interests of his state. Being a Democrat, conservative leaning as he may be, just means that he has a different idea of what that is than a Republican might.

[Agent Z]

Uvalde mother who got out of cuffs to rescue kids from shooting is now being harassed by police, lawyer says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ebe40127ce48c4

[JackDaw]

Manchin does not have a mandate to represent the will of Democratic voters across the country. Nor is he beholden to mitigate the consequences that his actions have on the Democratic Party as a whole. In reality, he doesn't just represent the Democrats of West Virginia. He represents ALL of West Virginia and does what he thinks will benefit the interests of his state. Being a Democrat, conservative leaning as he may be, just means that he has a different idea of what that is than a Republican might.

Do the Republicans have an equivalent senator or senators? (Some one who quite often votes against the party line on key issues.)

[Tendrin]

Do the Republicans have an equivalent senator or senators? (Some one who quite often votes against the party line on key issues.)

No, not really. \

[Gray Lensman]

Do the Republicans have an equivalent senator or senators? (Some one who quite often votes against the party line on key issues.)

Not since McCain died, and even he was less a maverick than advertised. The Republican party goes all out to punish anyone who doesn't vote the way party leaders tell them to, and the base remembers when the next primary hits.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Uvalde mother who got out of cuffs to rescue kids from shooting is now being harassed by police, lawyer says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ebe40127ce48c4

Can't say I'm surprised. Angeli Rose Gomez embarrassed the Uvalde police by doing what they couldn't...or wouldn't, and they know it, thus the harassment.