All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Gotham citizen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

it was surprisingly easy. And that's just lynchings of African Americans.

I see a lot of white people lynched because they were (accused to be) murderers or rapist, so I don't think those lynching are the killing you was talking about. I see also various black people lynched in the Southern States of the USA, but you know very well States were ruled by the Democrat Party, which was the pro-slavery party (in fact Lincoln was a Republican) and it was the reference party of the founders of the KKK; which is logical because they wanted to hinder the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies and the Democratic Party was pro-slavery so…

[Kirby101]

If this "Cancel Culture" is a left thing that the right cries about, why do they support Trump wanting Colin Kaepernik fired or boycotting Goodyear because they won't let employees wear MAGA hate (or any other political clothing)?

[KOSLOX]

Oh that's easy. It's because they are categorically full of ****.

[Gray Lensman]

I see a lot of white people lynched because they were (accused to be) murderers or rapist, so I don't think those lynching are the killing you was talking about. I see also various black people lynched in the Southern States of the USA, but you know very well States were ruled by the Democrat Party, which was the pro-slavery party (in fact Lincoln was a Republican) and it was the reference party of the founders of the KKK; which is logical because they wanted to hinder the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies and the Democratic Party was pro-slavery so…

You are aware that the parties realigned during the Civil Rights era? Because your post makes it sound like you aren't. The British aren't an enemy country anymore either, despite the fact that we fought two wars against them in the past.

[A Small Talent For War]

I deliberately didn’t reply.

It’s common knowledge how acts of violence have perpetuated against minorities. To this very day.

The concern also should focus on governmental actions. What's interesting here is the percentage of minorities in prison, on death row and facing undue arrests, fines, tax liens, etc. Also the number of minorities who are indebted to certain predatory lending schemes from credit cards to payday loans.

However, something that is often lost in discussion is that the percentage of minorities who face these challenges from discrimination lines up with the percentage of the minorities who are in lower income brackets or poverty. Poverty and education level are much more stronger indicators of discrimination by police and by local governments than race. This is something that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was emphasizing prior to his assassination with the Poor People's Campaign (https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/about/), and he received criticism from all sides. From his fellow civil rights activists because it did not focus only on African Americans, and from the conservatives who had long benefited from the exploitation of the poor in their states and communities.

Historically, discrimination against African Americans politically also disenfranchised poor whites as well. For example, literacy tests for decades until the 60's were designed to prevent blacks from voting in Southern States because of the great likelihood that most blacks were poor and uneducated from the 1890's to the 1960's. However, this also prevented millions of poor, uneducated whites from voting as well leaving most of the power in the hands of the same Democrats who held it before the Civil War.

Throughout this time to today, poor people face the same challenges and discrimination - especially in relationship to policing - irrespective of race, and the primary continuous form of discrimination against minorities have been socially sanctioned methods to prevent poor people from acquiring and keeping the capital necessary to rise out of poverty. For example, let's say a group of people owned homes in a poor neighborhood of some major city, but there is a sudden influx of people or businesses moving into the area. This would naturally increase the value of their homes, and therefore when taxes were applied to that new value, the homeowners could suddenly discover they now owe twice, three times or more in their next property tax assessment. Poor people cannot pay a 200% increase in any bill any year - and this would of course apply to any business owners in the neighborhood, too.

So, in America (unlike other countries), if you cannot pay your taxes, penalties are applied. If you can't pay your taxes and the penalties for not paying the taxes, you could go to jail, but what most municipalities prefer to do is to put a tax lien on your house and then sell that lien on the market to private buyers already interested in developing or profiting from the new interest in those properties. So, even if you just own a $100 that you are too poor to pay, you will be forced to sell that home you owned to pay off that lien. Then, the new owners who bought that home at a leveraged price will turn around and sell it to developers or develop it themselves essentially stealing the capital from the original tenants. This happens to many poor whites in rural areas, but it has been consistently used in metropolitan areas against mostly minority neighborhoods. Nevertheless, unsurprisingly, some of the most overt racist beliefs will be found expressed among poorer and less educated whites despite the fact that racist policies are what are keeping them poor and uneducated.

[KOSLOX]

Black poverty is is a deliberate consequence of racist policies, like denial of the GI Bill, Red Lining, HOAs designed to keep black people out of suburban communities, discriminatory lending and hiring, outright destruction of thriving communities, etc, etc.

[Gotham citizen]

You are aware that the parties realigned during the Civil Rights era? Because your post makes it sound like you aren't. The British aren't an enemy country anymore either, despite the fact that we fought two wars against them in the past.

Are you aware that a lot of black people are starting to questioning if that realignment never happened and they are leaving the Democratic Party using the term "leave the plantation"?

[Kusanagi]

I see a lot of white people lynched because they were (accused to be) murderers or rapist, so I don't think those lynching are the killing you was talking about. I see also various black people lynched in the Southern States of the USA, but you know very well States were ruled by the Democrat Party, which was the pro-slavery party (in fact Lincoln was a Republican) and it was the reference party of the founders of the KKK; which is logical because they wanted to hinder the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies and the Democratic Party was pro-slavery so…

The argument was Left wing/Right wing, not Democrats/Republics because (shocking I know) Republicans haven't always been the conservative party and Democrats haven't always been the liberal party.

[KOSLOX]

Are you aware that a lot of black people are starting to questioning if that realignment never happened and they are leaving the Democratic Party using the term "leave the plantation"?

No, we aren't.

It's the same 8-10% that have always identified as conservative.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Are you aware that a lot of black people are starting to questioning if that realignment never happened and they are leaving the Democratic Party using the term "leave the plantation"?

That line would have been more convincing under any other president than the one who relentlessly hounded our first African American president with racism.

[Ragged Maw]

However, something that is often lost in discussion is that the percentage of minorities who face these challenges from discrimination lines up with the percentage of the minorities who are in lower income brackets or poverty. Poverty and education level are much more stronger indicators of discrimination by police and by local governments than race. This is something that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was emphasizing prior to his assassination with the Poor People's Campaign (https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/about/), and he received criticism from all sides. From his fellow civil rights activists because it did not focus only on African Americans, and from the conservatives who had long benefited from the exploitation of the poor in their states and communities.

Fair point. The part in bold in particular is reminiscent of some arguments I often heard when it came to whether the proverbial conversation should be more about racial disparity or a more general economic disparity. However, that was a year or two ago and it seems the idea of intersectionality and not treating the struggle as a "zero-sum game" has more exposure, nowadays.

[KOSLOX]

That line would have been more convincing under any other president than the one who relentlessly hounded our first African American president with racism.

I'm sure it's a really popular line amongst all the douche-canoes on q-chan.

[A Small Talent For War]

Black poverty is is a deliberate consequence of racist policies, like denial of the GI Bill, Red Lining, HOAs designed to keep black people out of suburban communities.

Also, the participation of African Americans and poor people in politics was severely hampered by policies designed to keep them out of it. Democrats were able to structure Roosevelt's New Deal so that it excluded black populations. Going back before the Civil War, if a person was a white laborer, how in the world were they going to be able to compete with the Planters who had slave labor? Most could not - even Lincoln's family moved from Kentucky to Illinois because his father could not survive against slave labor. This led to Lincoln supporting the free soil platform when he entered politics. At first, he didn't want to end slavery because it was bad for the slaves, but because it was bad for free people trying to earn a living.

In the South, though not often brought up by Southerners, white communities that did not depend on cotton or slavery often rebelled against the Confederacy and were Unionists who would go on to join Union troops when they entered the South. There were plenty of farmers and laborers in the South who did not want to leave the union and would not die so the rich planters could keep their slaves, but the voting system in the South was so malformed that slave owners had more votes than non-slave owners as they were able to add the voting power of their own slaves in ballots.

After the war, and after Reconstruction, white planters and northern mill owners still depended on cheap labor and cheap cotton, so they colluded to force freed blacks into contracts with the planters who had recently owned them. Naturally, this led to a mass migration out of the South to northern cities and especially to the West. You won't see it in a John Ford movie, but about 1 out of every 4 cowboys in the old West was an African American. Meanwhile, in the south, a new form of leveraged labor and poverty promotion reinforced a form of segregation that Nazis would later cite in defense of their anti-Semitic Nuremberg laws.

In my opinion, the greatest loss for the country was the prevention of freed slaves and poor people in general in the political progression of the nation for more than a century after the Civil War.

[Gray Lensman]

Also, the participation of African Americans and poor people in politics was severely hampered by policies designed to keep them out of it. Democrats were able to structure Roosevelt's New Deal so that it excluded black populations. Going back before the Civil War, if a person was a white laborer, how in the world were they going to be able to compete with the Planters who had slave labor? Most could not - even Lincoln's family moved from Kentucky to Illinois because his father could not survive against slave labor. This led to Lincoln supporting the free soil platform when he entered politics. At first, he didn't want to end slavery because it was bad for the slaves, but because it was bad for free people trying to earn a living.

In the South, though not often brought up by Southerners, white communities that did not depend on cotton or slavery often rebelled against the Confederacy and were Unionists who would go on to join Union troops when they entered the South. There were plenty of farmers and laborers in the South who did not want to leave the union and would not die so the rich planters could keep their slaves, but the voting system in the South was so malformed that slave owners had more votes than non-slave owners as they were able to add the voting power of their own slaves in ballots.

After the war, and after Reconstruction, white planters and northern mill owners still depended on cheap labor and cheap cotton, so they colluded to force freed blacks into contracts with the planters who had recently owned them. Naturally, this led to a mass migration out of the South to northern cities and especially to the West. You won't see it in a John Ford movie, but about 1 out of every 4 cowboys in the old West was an African American. Meanwhile, in the south, a new form of leveraged labor and poverty promotion reinforced a form of segregation that Nazis would later cite in defense of their anti-Semitic Nuremberg laws.

In my opinion, the greatest loss for the country was the prevention of freed slaves and poor people in general in the political progression of the nation for more than a century after the Civil War.

Every Confederate state except for South Carolina had enough men join Union ranks to form a regiment named after it.

I will say that you aren't quite correct in your post Civil War assessments - Black Americans were holding political office, holding management level positions in an integrated federal government, and had a burgeoning middle class for a while. Then Reconstruction ended, and some time after that Woodrow Wilson became president and all that was taken away.

[PaulBullion]

I see a lot of white people lynched because they were (accused to be) murderers or rapist,

You do not, Shirley.