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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    IT'S OVER: Biden defeats Trump as US voters take the rare step to remove an incumbent president.

    BI has given all the remaining races to Trump for a 273 Biden victory.
    I doubt they give the remaining to Trump , Biden is leading in a couple of them. So his count will go higher and SEAL DA DEAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    So I my aunt was on a voice chat with her Trumper friends. I saw in because i had questions and man was this a doozy.

    I pointed out that Biden took a lead in Ga and Nevada. They all said fraud and cheating. I pointed out that the Secretary of State in each state is a republican. And if there is wide spread fraud against Trump would they not be going on about it like crazy? Several said they dont have the platform to talk about this like they should. I pointed out social media, and the fact that both have had national press conferences in the last several days. And both in these have said on tv there is no fraud. The election is valid. Two said that each Secretary hated Trump for years. And many said that both need to be investigated by the FBI because it is clear that Biden and Pelosi have paid them off and bank records will show that.

    So i presented valid truthful points against the claim of fraud. And they all went batshit crazy on their BS claims. Then they asked my aunt how it felt to live with a hard core socialist.

    Moments like this make me think thank god I left the party. And was I ever this blind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    So in all seriousness is no one else worried about the possibility of a civil war?
    What I think is more likely is decentralized domestic terrorism by the militias. The egos of their leadership have - at least so far - prevented their various factions from coalescing under a central figure, or even committee. I don't see that changing.

    What I do see, and think a reasonable risk, is that they continue to recruit an inflame angry young bigots. A straight up Civil War? I don't think so. More Kenosha shooters? Yeah, that's believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    What I think is more likely is decentralized domestic terrorism by the militias. The egos of their leadership have - at least so far - prevented their various factions from coalescing under a central figure, or even committee. I don't see that changing.

    What I do see, and think a reasonable risk, is that they continue to recruit an inflame angry young bigots. A straight up Civil War? I don't think so. More Kenosha shooters? Yeah, that's believable.
    This is correct. The attitudes Trump emboldened aren't going away just because he lost the presidency. Unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    I doubt they give the remaining to Trump , Biden is leading in a couple of them. So his count will go higher and SEAL DA DEAL.
    Right, I think so too, but the point is Trump has no path now.

    Biden is just in "How big will the win be?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    I doubt they give the remaining to Trump , Biden is leading in a couple of them. So his count will go higher and SEAL DA DEAL.
    He's gonna need it. The SCROTUS wouldn't have much of a problem flipping a single state back to Trump by judicial fiat, but 3 or 4 should give them pause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    I dodnt have an argument. I never raised my voice or got mad. I just presented the facts and asked what they thought about them.
    Remember that link I provided to you before? Well, it basically shows a really simple guide showing the dos and don'ts of reconnecting to a Trump fan family member.

    I'm going to transcribe it.

    Steps for Starting a Positive Conversation:

    - Use Good Communication Strategies and Active Listening to Keep the Dialogue Open and Civil.

    - Engage in Compassionate Listening to Stimulate Critical Thinking.

    - Learn About How Mind Control Works.

    Do:

    - Remember this is still the person you know and love.

    - Establish Rapport and Trust by acting with Respect Warmth and Integrity.

    - Be Curious and Ask Open Ended Questions.

    - Keep a collaborative- rather than competitive - frame of mind.

    - Find Common Ground, focusing on things you can agree upon.

    Don't:

    - Engage in Name Calling or insults.

    - Frame the conversation as an argument to be won.

    - Insult Trump to them.

    - Cut off or interrupt the person. (Apparently people usually give others three seconds to respond)

    - Belittle, insult or mock their beliefs.

    - Isolate yourself away from the person.

    Ask:

    - "Help me understand how you came to become such a strong supporter."

    - "Can you imagine any circumstance which might lead to you losing confidence in Trump?"

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    Or we can stop spending energy trying to "reconnect" with assholes who co signed Trump's hateful rhetoric?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    What I think is more likely is decentralized domestic terrorism by the militias. The egos of their leadership have - at least so far - prevented their various factions from coalescing under a central figure, or even committee. I don't see that changing.

    What I do see, and think a reasonable risk, is that they continue to recruit an inflame angry young bigots. A straight up Civil War? I don't think so. More Kenosha shooters? Yeah, that's believable.
    The scale of a Civil War is hard to understand.

    When the American Civil War broke out...Dixie Senators, Reps, Dixie Scotuses all left their positions in Washington. Imagine a chunk of the US Senate and the US Reps on Capitol Hill straight up resigning and going to Richmond and saying this is now the Capital of the Confederat States. Imagine Kavanaugh or Alito or Roberts all leaving the SCOTUSES and going over to take positions in the CSA government. Because that's what happened. Imagine Governors in NC and SC sending troops on borders and so on, and then ordering these troops to fire on Federal Property which happened on Fort Sumter. Imagine Ron DeSantis ordering a state militia on a US Military Base in Florida, just for argument. Imagine Gov. Abbott doing that.

    That's when you have a civil war.

    Militias and shooters and riots and so on...those are terrible, they can be murderous, but roughly they can be handled. Well assuming it doesn't take the scale of the Draft Riots which so far, touch wood, doesn't seem likely. Modern militia aren't like the cut-throat street gangs of 19th Century cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Or we can stop spending energy trying to "reconnect" with assholes who co signed Trump's hateful rhetoric?
    Sure, it's your choice. It's just I really think they've been brainwashed. There's actually a documentary coming out about it.
    Last edited by ChangingStation; 11-06-2020 at 01:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangingStation View Post
    Remember that link I provided to you before? Well, it basically shows a really simple guide showing the dos and don'ts of reconnecting to a Trump fan family member.

    I'm going to transcribe it.

    Steps for Starting a Positive Conversation:

    - Use Good Communication Strategies and Active Listening to Keep the Dialogue Open and Civil.

    - Engage in Compassionate Listening to Stimulate Critical Thinking.

    - Learn About How Mind Control Works.

    Do:

    - Remember this is still the person you know and love.

    - Establish Rapport and Trust by acting with Respect Warmth and Integrity.

    - Be Curious and Ask Open Ended Questions.

    - Keep a collaborative- rather than competitive - frame of mind.

    - Find Common Ground, focusing on things you can agree upon.

    Don't:

    - Engage in Name Calling or insults.

    - Frame the conversation as an argument to be won.

    - Insult Trump to them.

    - Cut off or interrupt the person. (Apparently people usually give others three seconds to respond)

    - Belittle, insult or mock their beliefs.

    - Isolate yourself away from the person.

    Ask:

    - "Help me understand how you came to become such a strong supporter."

    - "Can you imagine any circumstance which might lead to you losing confidence in Trump?"
    I did read the link you posted. And I have tried these things that you typed up. All it ended with was her bitching and calling me a traitor to the country. Every thing I ask her to defend is just Fox News Talking points and word for word rehashes of Trump tweets. I have given up. There is no getting through to her. There is no calm and relaxing talk about the issues because all she does is desolve into a bitch fit and rant.


    A few days ago I just started closing the door and ignoring but I really did try and engage her in a normal way the last two days and it is not working at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    I did read the link you posted. And I have tried these things that you typed up. All it ended with was her bitching and calling me a traitor to the country. Every thing I ask her to defend is just Fox News Talking points and word for word rehashes of Trump tweets. I have given up. There is no getting through to her. There is no calm and relaxing talk about the issues because all she does is desolve into a bitch fit and rant.


    A few days ago I just started closing the door and ignoring but I really did try and engage her in a normal way the last two days and it is not working at all.
    You may never be able to reconnect. It may become something you just don't talk about in time.

    It's good that you tried.

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    Interesting factoid: Both Trump and Biden will both end up being one-term presidents. In Trump’s case, it will be because he lost re-election, while in Biden’s case it won’t get a second because he won’t seek re-election how old he will be(Biden will be 81 by the time his first term ends in 2024).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    He's gonna need it. The SCROTUS wouldn't have much of a problem flipping a single state back to Trump by judicial fiat, but 3 or 4 should give them pause.
    As people have brought up that the rules after the decision of Bush/Gore in 2000 they pretty much favor Biden a lot. So they won't be able to flip states back or they'll destroy the countries democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    I did read the link you posted. And I have tried these things that you typed up. All it ended with was her bitching and calling me a traitor to the country. Every thing I ask her to defend is just Fox News Talking points and word for word rehashes of Trump tweets. I have given up. There is no getting through to her. There is no calm and relaxing talk about the issues because all she does is desolve into a bitch fit and rant.


    A few days ago I just started closing the door and ignoring but I really did try and engage her in a normal way the last two days and it is not working at all.
    Did you just say asked her to defend?

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