All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[shooshoomanjoe]

Let's see, WHERE does Hamas hide? Oh yeah, in civilian buildings, and under them.

Is the IDF not trained on urban warfare?

[shooshoomanjoe]

I don't agree with half of what hype writes, but he has repeatedly said he's not conservative and I haven't seen any evidence that he is. This is not a conservative/liberal issue or a right/left issue.
Also, there is plenty to criticize on Israel's approach, but there is a time and place and doing it right after they have been a victim of a brutal terrorist attack is kind of gross, as is implying that they somehow deserve it. I don't remember anyone normal celebrating after 9/11, granted I was a child back then but I think everyone was shocked and had sympathy towards the US. How would comments analysing how it was their fault go here, two days after?

No but the US was heavily criticized every time they targeted civilians.

[Catlady in training]

AOC decries ‘bigotry and callousness’ at pro-Palestinian rally in New York

Criticising a pro-Palestinian rally held in Times Square in New York City in the aftermath of Hamas attacks on Israel which left hundreds dead, the progressive congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said: “It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it.”

The attacks, including the killing of at least 260 concertgoers and the taking of hostages, sparked a new war between Israel and Hamas. In Gaza, Israeli airstrikes killed hundreds. By Tuesday, the Israeli death toll approached 1,000.

The Sunday rally in New York, endorsed by members of the Democratic Socialists of America and promoted by the group’s New York chapter, attracted a crowd of more than 1,000. Some chanted “resistance is justified when people are occupied”.

Amid attacks from Republicans, Ocasio-Cortez, a New York representative popularly known as AOC, was among Democrats to condemn the rally.

Speaking to Politico, she said shutting down hatred and antisemitism was “a core tenet of solidarity”.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment,” she said.

“It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting Hamas’s horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation.”

Earlier, Ocasio-Cortez was among leading congressional progressives to call for a ceasefire. In a statement, she said: “I condemn Hamas’s attack in the strongest possible terms.

“No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.”

It can be done politely and with respect to victims.

[Catlady in training]

No but the US was heavily criticized every time they targeted civilians.

Do you think we have enough military experience here to advise Israel just how to target terrorists hiding in civilian settlements and deliberately using them as human shields?

[Jack Dracula]

I don't agree with half of what hype writes, but he has repeatedly said he's not conservative and I haven't seen any evidence that he is. This is not a conservative/liberal issue or a right/left issue.
Also, there is plenty to criticize on Israel's approach, but there is a time and place and doing it right after they have been a victim of a brutal terrorist attack is kind of gross, as is implying that they somehow deserve it. I don't remember anyone normal celebrating after 9/11, granted I was a child back then but I think everyone was shocked and had sympathy towards the US. How would comments analysing how it was their fault go here, two days after?

I don’t think anyone here is implying Israel deserves to have atrocities committed on its citizens.
Enough books and articles have been written about the situation there to fill a library. I don’t think it’s gross to look at that entire affair and be disgusted with the whole mess. For my own part I simply feel sorry for the regular families who have no choice but to endure. That’s the only side I’ll take.

[Username taken]

I don’t think anyone here is implying Israel deserves to have atrocities committed on its citizens.
Enough books and articles have been written about the situation there to fill a library. I don’t think it’s gross to look at that entire affair and be disgusted with the whole mess. For my own part I simply feel sorry for the regular families who have no choice but to endure. That’s the only side I’ll take.

This is pretty much the reasonable take on all of this.

Most people (with a few exceptions who are repeating decades old rhetoric) know how messy and complicated the situation is in the Middle-East. Anyone can do their research to have at least a reasonable understanding of the situation.

The victims here are the innocent people of Gaza AND Israel. They don't deserve what's been happening to them.

[Dalak]

I don’t think anyone here is implying Israel deserves to have atrocities committed on its citizens.
Enough books and articles have been written about the situation there to fill a library. I don’t think it’s gross to look at that entire affair and be disgusted with the whole mess. For my own part I simply feel sorry for the regular families who have no choice but to endure. That’s the only side I’ll take.

This is pretty much the reasonable take on all of this.

Most people (with a few exceptions who are repeating decades old rhetoric) know how messy and complicated the situation is in the Middle-East. Anyone can do their research to have at least a reasonable understanding of the situation.

The victims here are the innocent people of Gaza AND Israel. They don't deserve what's been happening to them.

Too busy to respond to gobs of posts, but this sums up my feelings as well.

A Development in regards to Israel's call to flee to Egypt, the Rafah Crossing is closed so they have nowhere to go and it's reported that it's Israel's attacks that closed the crossing.

[Vakanai]

I have never been so disappointed with my college. They evidently had a pro-Hamas rally where they had posters of the "heroic" terrorists on hang-gliders. One wonder where the posters of the heroic murder of 40 babies, some beheaded, was. Damn, no I have to pretend not to have gone to that place. Sickos.

I have done no research on this, so I'm probably wrong, but my gut feeling is that a lot of the pro-Hamas sentiment out there in the world is really disguised antisemitism.

[Username taken]

Too busy to respond to gobs of posts, but this sums up my feelings as well.

A Development in regards to Israel's call to flee to Egypt, the Rafah Crossing is closed so they have nowhere to go and it's reported that it's Israel's attacks that closed the crossing.

That's one of the biggest problems with this conflict, the people of Gaza are essentially trapped in Gaza.

[achilles]

Is the IDF not trained on urban warfare?

Oh God, you're not going there, are you? Have you done urban warfare? It is supposedly the hardest, deadliest type. I'm not going to even attempt to lecture them on any of that; they're the experts. And yes, it's almost impossible to avoid civilian casualties in that sort of warfare.

[Catlady in training]

EU warns Elon Musk over ‘disinformation’ about Hamas attack on X

The EU has issued a warning to Elon Musk over the alleged disinformation about the Hamas attack on Israel, including fake news and “repurposed old images”, on X, which was formerly known as Twitter.

The letter comes less than two months after sweeping new laws regulating content on social media seen in the EU came into force under the Digital Services Act. If Musk, the owner of X, does not comply, he can face a fine of 6% of his revenues from X or a total blackout in the EU.

Full letter in the link.

Are we witnessing the end of Xitter? I still see politicians posting official info there, but otherwise it's reportedly more and more of a dump.

[achilles]

Too busy to respond to gobs of posts, but this sums up my feelings as well.

A Development in regards to Israel's call to flee to Egypt, the Rafah Crossing is closed so they have nowhere to go and it's reported that it's Israel's attacks that closed the crossing.

I'm pretty sure Egypt had something to do with that; they hate Hamas, which is related to the Muslim Brotherhood, the arch enemy of the current military dictatorship. Nor do they want a flood of refugees. None of which is Israel's problem. Perhaps Hamas should have considered that before invading a country and murdering thousands of civilians.

[achilles]

EU warns Elon Musk over ‘disinformation’ about Hamas attack on X



Full letter in the link.

Are we witnessing the end of Xitter? I still see politicians posting official info there, but otherwise it's reportedly more and more of a dump.

If it goes, it will probably go from lack of use, rather than a sudden regulatory death. It's just that Musk has killed interest in it with his changes.

[achilles]

I'll say it again, the side using innocent civilians as human shields isn't Israel

Israel told civilians in Gaza to leave. The Hamas are using them as human shields. They are also threatening to execute the hostages. Sadly, an execution may be a kinder fate than what they're going through after seeing what happened to Shani Louk. Naked, strapped on the back of a pick up truck, paraded while spectators spit on the corpse, and if you look at her body, you don't need to be a doctor to see her leg was broken.

I usually have to watch a horror movie to find sick **** like this, but the Hamas see this as some twisted form of justice. They can whine about Oppression all they want, when you witness what they did, I can at definitely understand (and at this point agree) why Israel kept them away.

I stay away from certain types of horror movies because I loathe that sort of thing.

[Jack Dracula]

I'm pretty sure Egypt had something to do with that; they hate Hamas, which is related to the Muslim Brotherhood, the arch enemy of the current military dictatorship. Nor do they want a flood of refugees. None of which is Israel's problem. Perhaps Hamas should have considered that before invading a country and murdering thousands of civilians.

It was reported on NPR this morning that Egypt had closed its border.