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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Trump has gone bye bye ...

    Trump’s grievances feed menacing undertow after the election

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The last throes of Donald Trump’s presidency have turned ugly — even dangerous.

    Death threats are on the rise. Local and state election officials are being hounded into hiding. A Trump campaign lawyer is declaring publicly that a federal official who defended the integrity of the election should be “drawn and quartered” or simply shot.

    Neutral public servants, Democrats and a growing number of Republicans who won’t do what Trump wants are being caught in a menacing postelection undertow stirred by Trump’s grievances about the election he lost.

    “Death threats, physical threats, intimidation — it’s too much, it’s not right,” said Gabriel Sterling, a Republican elections official in Georgia who implored Trump to “stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence.” Trump in response only pressed his groundless case that he lost unfairly, neither discouraging trouble nor explicitly calling for it.
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    That'd be pretty impressive, considering how far they'd have to sail. You'd think they'd want to smuggle them in through the West Coast, or at least through Canada (straight shot to Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania if you go through Lakes). Maybe he's just having fun and seeing how far out there a lie has to be to still be swallowed up by Trump's base. He seems to have a sense of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OopsIdiditagain View Post
    it's been a few decades after the cold war and politicians still use socialism as the big bad boogeyman.
    I can't believe it still works! But I think it's slowly losing it's impact.

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    And Republican leaders are in full blown “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil” mode, either out of apathy or because they’re afraid of poking the bear since they still need the support of Trump’s base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    And Republican leaders are in full blown “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil” mode, either out of apathy or because they’re afraid of poking the bear since they still need the support of Trump’s base.
    I seriously hope that I am wrong, but I have become ever more convinced his ongoing lying about this is going to end up deadly for someone. Which I guess is part of the conversation some were having with Mets some days back, that unless those Republican "leaders" themselves really buy that the election was stolen, that there was this massive fraud he keeps talking about, but for which he produces no evidence and even his own AG has admitted didn't happen ... then they're complicit in getting someone killed, if it happens.

    I mean, today he is standing there rambling on with this nonsense, swearing the election was stolen, hundreds across the country are all a part of the conspiracy, and he is the duly elected POTUS. If you look at the comments on that video, some people clearly believe him. I feel like any Republican or conservative with any integrity should feel absolutely compelled to refute this as loudly as possible. But, like you said -- they're either agreeing, or silent, for the most part.

    I mean, it's crazy, I have story after story about violent crime in my city being the highest its ever been, but this is the stuff that really scares me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSTowle View Post
    That'd be pretty impressive, considering how far they'd have to sail. You'd think they'd want to smuggle them in through the West Coast, or at least through Canada (straight shot to Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania if you go through Lakes). Maybe he's just having fun and seeing how far out there a lie has to be to still be swallowed up by Trump's base. He seems to have a sense of humor.
    Could be, he has earned the name "the dirty trickster" for good reason, for he is shrewd and smart, and witty, but he has also always been a maverick in the Republican Party. I find it hard to believe he would sign up to be a regular on the Alex Jones show without believing in a lot of off kilter conspiracy theories himself, I'm sure his arrest, for better or worst, has reconfirmed his views.

    I personally think Trump and his associates are living in a different reality plane, and actually believe in the mail in ballot conspiracies.

    Rudy Giuliani's transformation from a regular rational figure who helped bring down the NYC mob, to a raving irrationalist conspiracy theorist, literary melting on camera, shows the power of Trump's personality over him, and what Trump most likely believes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor-of-Dragons View Post
    I can't believe it still works! But I think it's slowly losing it's impact.
    Kind of, but it works because it's not all propaganda. Socialism is a broad term and some of it is blatant tyranny with large body counts, as well as modern examples of catastrophic failures like in Venezuela. Leftist politicians doing silly things like praising Castro's Cuba while running for president isn't helping, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Kind of, but it works because it's not all propaganda. Socialism is a broad term and some of it is blatant tyranny with large body counts, as well as modern examples of catastrophic failures like in Venezuela. Leftist politicians doing silly things like praising Castro's Cuba while running for president isn't helping, either.
    Venezuela's President is a bus driver.

    You'd think a bus driver runs the country better than a real estate agent?

    And when you are running for president, it is not exactly a good idea to praise someone who is an enemy of the USA. Of course Trump also praised some enemies of the USA including Putin and the fat North Korean guy named Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauriel View Post
    Venezuela's President is a bus driver.

    You'd think a bus driver runs the country better than a real estate agent?

    And when you are running for president, it is not exactly a good idea to praise someone who is an enemy of the USA. Of course Trump also praised some enemies of the USA including Putin and the fat North Korean guy named Kim.
    Maduro hasn't been a bus driver since 2000, having humble origins is by no means an excuse to ignore a politician being an autocrat. What politicians did before they were politicians isn't relevant to judge them on whether they're nice people. I'm curious why it was needed to address politicians being judged by their jobs before they did that came from, since it had nothing to do with what I said and didn't make Maduro any less of a bad guy. Pol Pot was raised on a farm, didn't make him any less of a horrible person when he came to power.

    Exactly, which is why it's bad to do it. Which Trump's been derided for since they're controversial statements and have hindered him further among other world leaders with credibility. He was just able to get away with it, he knew he couldn't do that running as a Democrat that's why he switched to the GOP. They have lower standards.

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