All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Kirby101]

Abortion is a medical decision between a woman, her doctors and depending on circumstances, her family. It is not something that should be subject to the law any more than any other medical procedure. Talk of "unrestricted abortion" or "abortion on demand" are bullshit right wing, christian narratives. They need to keep their interpretations of bronze age myths out of medical science.
Nobody talks about "unrestricted heart surgery" or "dialysis on demand". It's just medical treatment.

And we are now endangering untold women because of them forcing their faith on the rest of us.

[Gray Lensman]

Yeah, unfortunately, he will use the bankruptcy laws to keep from paying more than a small fraction of that amount.

I already posted earlier, but Texas caps punitive damages, and by law also does NOT inform the jury of this. That cap is twice any economic damages, plus 750 thousand dollars.

Economic damages require a physical loss to present at trial, such as hospital bills that are an immediate after effect of the action being sued over, or property loss that happened as a direct consequence of the same. That amount for this case is ZERO dollars, and results in punative damages being paid by Alex Jones as being capped at 750k.

It was part of a so called tort reform package that Abbot ran on and passed after becoming governor.

At least that's what I got from Greg Doucette's Twitter feed, and he is licensed to practice law in the state of Texas. I started following the self proclaimed Proud Never Trump Republican when he started writing about the Vic Mignogna case, and kept occasionally checking in as he started to catalog incidents of police violence (his words were the police were rioting) during the BLM protests.

[babyblob]

Yeah, unfortunately, he will use the bankruptcy laws to keep from paying more than a small fraction of that amount.

Gonna be hard to do the bankruptcy route when before the trail he said he wasnt worried because he was worth so much.

[babyblob]

Abortion is a medical decision between a woman, her doctors and depending on circumstances, her family. It is not something that should be subject to the law any more than any other medical procedure. Talk of "unrestricted abortion" or "abortion on demand" are bullshit right wing, christian narratives. They need to keep their interpretations of bronze age myths out of medical science.
Nobody talks about "unrestricted heart surgery" or "dialysis on demand". It's just medical treatment.

And we are now endangering untold women because of them forcing their faith on the rest of us.

I am tired of hearing the question.

"You are fine with abortion. I guess you are okay with late term 9 month abortions huh? Have to be if you are for abortion right."

[Kirby101]

I am tired of hearing the question.

"You are fine with abortion. I guess you are okay with late term 9 month abortions huh? Have to be if you are for abortion right."

This is the right wing, christo-fascist narrative. The liberal narrative should be, stay the **** out of the medical needs of other people.

[Gray Lensman]

I am tired of hearing the question.

"You are fine with abortion. I guess you are okay with late term 9 month abortions huh? Have to be if you are for abortion right."

Was abortion EVER legal in the US at that stage without a diagnosis of danger to the mother's life? If a woman hasn't had an abortion by that point it's probably because she WANTS the baby, and only being told something drastic like a greatly increased chance of death in order to deliver a child with extreme birth defects that give a life expectancy of weeks led her to change her mind.

[babyblob]

Was abortion EVER legal in the US at that stage without a diagnosis of danger to the mother's life? If a woman hasn't had an abortion by that point it's probably because she WANTS the baby, and only being told something drastic like a greatly increased chance of death in order to deliver a child with extreme birth defects that give a life expectancy of weeks led her to change her mind.

I am not sure to be honest. I know Fox News likes to bitch about how it is happening all the time. And the Right Wingers on Twitter. my aunt showed this bs story some guy posted on Twitter about a clinic that was doing 9th month abortions and killing off babies right after they were born and all this crap.

Its just a talking point that does not happen.

[Catlady in training]

Abortion is a medical decision between a woman, her doctors and depending on circumstances, her family. It is not something that should be subject to the law any more than any other medical procedure. Talk of "unrestricted abortion" or "abortion on demand" are bullshit right wing, christian narratives. They need to keep their interpretations of bronze age myths out of medical science.
Nobody talks about "unrestricted heart surgery" or "dialysis on demand". It's just medical treatment.

And we are now endangering untold women because of them forcing their faith on the rest of us.

The ironic part is that some of the same people who want to impose their christian values on everyone else would be quick to (rightfully) condemn similar actions done by other religions, mostly islam. There is a reason that the term "catholiban" (spelling adjusted for English) is getting more frequent here in Europe, to describe catholic fanatics who would probably want to make their own version of sharia laws.

Was abortion EVER legal in the US at that stage without a diagnosis of danger to the mother's life? If a woman hasn't had an abortion by that point it's probably because she WANTS the baby, and only being told something drastic like a greatly increased chance of death in order to deliver a child with extreme birth defects that give a life expectancy of weeks led her to change her mind.

I liked Pete Buttigieg's comments on the issue:

https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttig...w-line-1538231

"Do you believe, at any point in pregnancy, that there should be any limit on a woman's right to an abortion?" Wallace asked.

"I think the dialogue has gotten so caught up on when you draw the line that we've gotten away from the fundamental question of who gets to draw the line," Buttigieg said.
"And I trust women to draw the line."

Wallace pointed to late term abortions and asked Buttigieg what his position was in back-and-forth.

"You would be okay with a woman well into the third trimester to obtain an abortion?" Wallace asked.

"These hypotheticals are set up to provoke a strong emotional reaction," Buttigieg said.

"These aren't hypotheticals — there are 6,000 women a year who get an abortion in the third trimester," Wallace said.

"That's right, representing less than one percent of cases a year," Buttigieg replied. The data from 2019 appears to support his claim, according to a Los Angeles Times report.

"So, let's put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it's that late in your pregnancy, that means almost by definition you've been expecting to carry it to term," he went on.
"We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen the name, women who have purchased the crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice."
"That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made," he said.

[GindyPosts]

This is the right wing, christo-fascist narrative. The liberal narrative should be, stay the **** out of the medical needs of other people.

Yeah, but most liberals are afraid of playing dirty with the right because conservatives will immediately go "they're being unfair!" and then the left has to immediately defend themselves like it's elementary school.

At this rate, in the face of a group that wants Christian nationalism to be the only thing this country abides by, we have to kick them in the balls.

[Mister Mets]

Was abortion EVER legal in the US at that stage without a diagnosis of danger to the mother's life? If a woman hasn't had an abortion by that point it's probably because she WANTS the baby, and only being told something drastic like a greatly increased chance of death in order to deliver a child with extreme birth defects that give a life expectancy of weeks led her to change her mind.

The data suggests the majority of women seeking so-called late term abortions are doing it for reasons other than health risks or fetal abnormalities.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45161.pdf

[Kirby101]

Third trimester abortions make up 1% of abortions, but let's ban all abortions because we don't like the medical decisions women make. Right Mets.

[Mister Mets]

Yeah, but most liberals are afraid of playing dirty with the right because conservatives will immediately go "they're being unfair!" and then the left has to immediately defend themselves like it's elementary school.

At this rate, in the face of a group that wants Christian nationalism to be the only thing this country abides by, we have to kick them in the balls.

I don't think it'll go well for Democrats if liberals were aggressive when arguing for something unpopular.

If someone is told they should stay the **** out of the medical needs of other people, it's not going to make them more likely to vote for the Democrat. This is a sensitive topic where informed people have a tough time accepting the truth, as evident by how often someone says this is something that obviously doesn't happen unless there's either a fetal abnormality or the life of the mother is at stake, when the data suggests otherwise.

Third trimester abortions make up 1% of abortions, but let's ban all abortions because we don't like the medical decisions women make. Right Mets.

Alternatively, politicians can offer a choice somewhere in between banning all abortions, and insisting that all abortions should be legal. It's a false dilemma, the result when people with extreme views refuse to compromise.

[babyblob]

I do not agree with 3rd trimester abortions for non medical reasons. But to outlaw all abortions and use 3rd trimester abortions as the standard for what is going on like a lot on the right are doing is not the answer at all.

[Kirby101]

I don't think it'll go well for Democrats if liberals were aggressive when arguing for something unpopular.

If someone is told they should stay the **** out of the medical needs of other people, it's not going to make them more likely to vote for the Democrat. This is a sensitive topic where informed people have a tough time accepting the truth, as evident by how often someone says this is something that obviously doesn't happen unless there's either a fetal abnormality or the life of the mother is at stake, when the data suggests otherwise.


Alternatively, politicians can offer a choice somewhere in between banning all abortions, and insisting that all abortions should be legal. It's a false dilemma, the result when people with extreme views refuse to compromise.

Abortions being a MEDICAL decision is not an extreme view. It is only the christo-fascists who want to interfere in a woman's medical choices. This is the same bullshit "compromise" promised by so called "moderate conservatives" like you who claimed getting rid of Roe would lead to just slight restrictions. Instead we get what we progressives predicted, draconian laws that will kill women.

[Kirby101]

I do not agree with 3rd trimester abortions for non medical reasons. But to outlaw all abortions and use 3rd trimester abortions as the standard for what is going on like a lot on the right are doing is not the answer at all.

So don't get one. And let women decide what they need with their doctors.