All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[green_garnish]

It's not a typo.

In earlier discussions, people have suggested that Democratic officeholders and officials do support clear limits on legal immigration and that this is so obvious it's worth bringing up earlier things I've said about the topic every now and then.
https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4813277

This link is not helping your point

[Amadeus Arkham]

[4saken1]

There was also a seemingly big misinformation campaign aimed at Spanish speaking Floridians.

Not only that, but Trump fared better among Latinos in 2020 than in 2016 in other key states. From what I have heard, many identified with his anti-Communist rhetoric, Trump's sense of machismo, his Catholic Supreme Court Justices, the low pre-COVID unemployment rates, etc.

I'm actually optimistic about these factors. If the next Republican nominee for President doesn't bring what Trump did to the table, they (who are we kidding - HE) might be facing serious trouble in Texas as well......

[Wildling]

Why would he care that a bunch of rather well-off elitists who wouldn't vote for him in a million years snubbed him years ago after he won again by a landslide that I assume didn't include them, but true Americans?

He can't possibly be a fraud who always resented not being welcomed into Hollywood royalty and now has to feed on the scraps of watching his braindead hooligan supporters instead.

[PwrdOn]

But the idea that America is sometimes getting ripped off globally, and this is something we should protect against, is not unique to Trump. To add to that, the majority of the population is under the impression that the United States spends a lot more money on foreign aid than it really does, which makes the view that America is not doing enough for itself more popular.

Dey tuk err jerbs. #NeverForget

[WestPhillyPunisher]

You mean to tell me that Ted Nugent, Scott Baio and Tim Allen weren’t big enough celebrities for Trump? WOMP WOMP!

[master of read]

my problem with MAGA as a word is thus:

how can you make something great again when it was never great to begin with? unless you were white, male, Christian and straight, this country has never been "great".

[Powerboy]

"Make America Great Again" is a statement that allows voters to project their own views on it. One person may think it's about getting back to a society in which a blue collar worker makes enough money to support a family. Another may think it's about restoring an earlier sense of community. Another might think it's about keeping the neighborhood white.

Some of the "America first" policies are going to be maintained by the Biden administration. Countries that have relied on the United States are going to be asked to pay more for their defense. There will continue to be pushback against Chinese intellectual property theft.

From previous discussions on immigration policy it seems the majority of the board is under the impression Democrats believe that "Citizenship is a privilege to be doled out to the chosen few." The alternative is open borders.

I think MAGA started as a workers having decent pay again and maybe that is what it means to a lot of people. But it quickly degenerated into something else because the white nationalism is what Trump played to. Had he rejected the white nationalism, stuck to jobs, really cared at all about middle class workers or anybody else and had any competence, well, that would not be Trump.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Why would he care that a bunch of rather well-off elitists who wouldn't vote for him in a million years snubbed him years ago after he won again by a landslide that I assume didn't include them, but true Americans?

He can't possibly be a fraud who always resented not being welcomed into Hollywood royalty and now has to feed on the scraps of watching his braindead hooligan supporters instead.

Because his entire persona was being a well off elite and the poster boy for wealth in America. He literally marketed himself as the successful rich guy. He made himself a cariacture of that. And the fact is, he was used to rubbing shoulders with other elites. Now he's a pariah that is realizing that he's stuck with the people who he conned that he never would be caught dead with and is never going to be welcomed back into that old lifestyle.

[skyvolt2000]

"Make America Great Again" is a statement that allows voters to project their own views on it. One person may think it's about getting back to a society in which a blue collar worker makes enough money to support a family. Another may think it's about restoring an earlier sense of community. Another might think it's about keeping the neighborhood white.

The thing is the usual suspects turned it into something different and Trump went along with it. Exposing himself along the way.

That is what happens when you let others define your movement or not review what your movement is.

Look at comisgate. If they had focus on factual data and helping stores instead of targeting CERTAIN folks much like the MAGA movement-they might have gotten stuff done.

But both went with the one that attracted like minded folks.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I think MAGA started as a workers having decent pay again and maybe that is what it means to a lot of people.

Nope. Trump's working-class support was a myth. The Putsch revealed that most of his supporters are wealthy fish-in-small-pond petty bourgeois types. Upper-middle class in their regions but not rich enough to be truly rich.

The press went overboard in tagging up the "white working class" support but the truth was Trump in 2016 won support from whites across all ages, all income brackets, men and women.

He can't possibly be a fraud who always resented not being welcomed into Hollywood royalty and now has to feed on the scraps of watching his braindead hooligan supporters instead.

Well that's who he is.

Trump is a quote unquote "poor's person idea of a rich person" as Fran Liebowitz put it. And the thing about Trump is that he never truly felt accepted by high society.

There was a very interesting article on how Trump saw himself and felt about being in New York and the particular strata he originated from:
https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/a...-new-york-city

New York is the biggest, most diverse and most cinematic of all American cities. People worldwide are familiar with the different types of New Yorkers: the hard-working immigrant, the Wall Street banker, the gruff blue-collar Brooklynite, the African American Harlemite a few generations removed from slavery or, like me, the Jewish Upper West Sider.

Donald Trump is none of those.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants born to money are a well-known New York type as well, but Donald Trump is not your classic New York WASP, either. He is from the Jamaica Estates neighborhood of Queens, a wealthy enclave in a working-class borough that's home to New Yorkers of all races and nations – not the tony Upper East Side.
...
Though he is the scion of a wealthy real estate family, the city's old aristocracy never quite accepted Trump. In a tribal city, Donald Trump has no real tribe.

Since he began running for office, much has been made of Trump's often failed efforts to gain approval from the Manhattan elite. That hardly made him unique: Many strivers never gain entrance into New York high society.

Nonetheless, Donald Trump's life in the late 1970s through the 1990s was like a cartoon version of wealthy New York: gaudy apartments on Fifth Avenue, deal-making, nightclubs, gallivanting with models and schmoozing with the rich, famous and powerful – all made possible by inherited wealth.
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Everyday New Yorkers could see Trump wasn't such a big deal just from walking around the city and seeing its buildings. Unlike other major New York real estate investors, such as Rudin and Tisch – whose family names grace hospitals, cultural institutions, schools and NYU's School of the Arts – few buildings and cultural institutions bear the Trump name.

That's the kind of petty bourgeoise mentality that Trump despite his wealth represents. It's being rich and famous to an extent but finding out that being rich and famous doesn't buy you everything...not respect or prestige. So that feeds a level of resentment and that directs itself in a weird scattershot way.

[Iron Maiden]

Trump never has been able to break into NY society. He's only one generation removed from a grandfather Friedrich Trump (the original family name in Germany was Drumpft) that ran a restaurant & brothel during the gold rush days in the Yukon. His business was very profitable and his son Fred Trump would use this inheritance to begin his real estate empire . His biggest nemesis in New York is former Vanity Fair editor in chief Graydon Carter, who frequently referred to Trump as the short fingered vulgarian in his columns.

And it's not just NYC's elite that don't like him, it's practically the whole city since he was trounced there in 2016 by Hillary

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Trump never has been able to break into NY society. He's only one generation removed from a grandfather Friedrich Trump (the original family name in Germany was Drumpft) that ran a restaurant & brothel during the gold rush days in the Yukon.

I personally don't set store by this snobbery of "NY society" looking down on someone because he's only rich for two generations and I think it's pathetic that Trump set so much store by that [That happens to also be the main message of The Great Gatsby, the defining story of people with that mentality]...but then that kind of defines the guy doesn't he.

And it's not just NYC's elite that don't like him, it's practically the whole city since he was trounced there in 2016 by Hillary

He's been run out of NYC by the vocal hatred of everyone inside it. Turning NYC into a hecatomb by letting them die during COVID-19 isn't something that ever gets undone. He killed more New Yorkers by several degrees than Bin Laden did.

[Steel Inquisitor]

I personally don't set store by this snobbery of "NY society" looking down on someone because he's only rich for two generations and I think it's pathetic that Trump set so much store by that [That happens to also be the main message of The Great Gatsby, the defining story of people with that mentality]...but then that kind of defines the guy doesn't he.

The wealthy are like anyone else, they have their own customs they follow and they're not above looking down on someone even when they have money. They're an exclusive, and racist, club but even they have standards. Trump may be from an old money family but he acts like the nouveau rich AKA trash with no class. Being tacky with gold on everything? That's something they do. And it's Trump he wants to be loved by everyone, especially his peers. This is also why Ivanka and Jared won't be going to the exclusive club for the wealthy in Billionaire Bunker. Trump's name is poison in that society.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...lub-mar-a-lago

While the outgoing presidential advisers became the proud owners of one of only 29 residences located on Indian Creek Island, as Page Six reported at the time, just having a home there doesn’t automatically guarantee that über-rich residents will be admitted to the compound’s even more exclusive country club. A source explained to the outlet on Wednesday, “You have to be nominated and make a formal application. But it only takes one member to object against any new member, and many members are objecting, particularly after the events at the Capitol on January 6.” They added, “The Indian Creek Country Club members are very picky and the word is that Javanka need not apply,” going on the suggest that “Jared and Ivanka can lunch with their fellow ‘patriots’ at Mar-a-Lago.”

It's incredibly rare for high society to give the middle finger to one of their own like that in public. Whatever inroads that family had with the wealthy died the moment he incited the insurrection.

He's been run out of NYC by the vocal hatred of everyone inside it. Turning NYC into a hecatomb by letting them die during COVID-19 isn't something that ever gets undone. He killed more New Yorkers by several degrees than Bin Laden did.

He's never been liked in New York City, it's just been amplified by his presidency.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Trump never has been able to break into NY society. He's only one generation removed from a grandfather Friedrich Trump (the original family name in Germany was Drumpft) that ran a restaurant & brothel during the gold rush days in the Yukon. His business was very profitable and his son Fred Trump would use this inheritance to begin his real estate empire . His biggest nemesis in New York is former Vanity Fair editor in chief Graydon Carter, who frequently referred to Trump as the short fingered vulgarian in his columns.

And it's not just NYC's elite that don't like him, it's practically the whole city since he was trounced there in 2016 by Hillary

Its joked that a national past time is people going by Trump named buildings in New York and flipping them off.