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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    My point was that if it can be done in Alabama of all places (and it was done, with fewer write-in votes than when Jeff Sessions ran, who presumably might not be a pedophile), then it can be done elsewhere when people realize that warnings about the SCOTUS were not alarmist, that rights actually get taken away. Why are you trying to diminish what black women did in Alabama?
    Again...

    "It..." amounted to just barely sneaking a win out against an unrepentant likely pedophile.

    The fact that someone has to point out that said situation is an singularity that likely will be impossible to reproduce is kinda wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    It’s more than half their exportations of oil and gas…
    You mean it was, it's down by 29%, but China's up by 60%, so don't be surprised when the faucet is closed come winter.

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    Post or not?

    This is the difference...

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/15/why-so...abortion-laws/

    Why many Dems in the South back the new anti-abortion laws
    “It is not unusual at all in my book to be both a Democrat and pro-life; it’s just the way I was raised in the church,” said Sims from the back of the Dairy Queen his family has owned for 66 years.

    Life means life “from conception until death,” he said.
    A recent Pew poll shows that six out of 10 people nationally support abortion in the first trimester. But in Kentucky, 57 percent of people believe abortion should be flat-out illegal, according to a different Pew poll, from 2014. And voters in Mississippi and Louisiana hold stronger pro-life views than the national average, according to a recent regional survey conducted by Republican pollster Wes Anderson.

    When Anderson asked voters in Louisiana if they considered themselves pro-life or pro-choice, 64 percent said pro-life. Meanwhile, 40 percent of Democrats, 64 percent of independents and 88 percent of Republicans in the state said they consider themselves pro-life.

    In Mississippi, 60 percent of voters said they were pro-life, with 29 percent of Democrats, 55 percent of independents and 83 percent of Republicans making that claim.

    And here’s a fact that might surprise people north of the Mason-Dixon Line — 58 percent of the pro-life Democrats in Louisiana are black. In Mississippi, that number jumps to 73 percent. “The point is … Democrats who call themselves pro-life … in most states are black,” said Anderson. (Full disclosure: Anderson is a partner at OnMessage Inc. with Brad Todd, co-author of my book, “The Great Revolt.”)

    “It’s a little fact that’s been around for a long, long time that the Democrats just conveniently ignore,” he added. “The place where Republicans get pro-life Democrat support is a subset of black Democrats.”
    Eric Powell is the first black person ever elected to the Mississippi Legislature from a rural white district. A Democrat, he served from 2007 until 2011 while being vocal about his pro-life beliefs.

    “Most people that I know, including myself, don’t hold abortion as a form of birth control,” he said. “Live with responsibility. Everything has consequences,” he said, adding that he draws the line at incest and rape.

    State Rep. Katrina Jackson of Louisiana doesn’t shy away from her pro-life principles either. The charismatic Democrat, who spoke at the 2019 March for Life rally in Washington, fully supports Gov. Edwards’ signing of the heartbeat bill.

    “There are two reasons you see pro-life Democrats in the South,” she said. “The primary reason is we are guided by our faith — the Bible teaches us it is wrong. Also, we are really family oriented. It’s not unusual to see us on a Sunday with three generations of families and extended families sitting around the dinner table.”

    It’s also the reason pro-life beliefs are so prominent among African Americans, she said.

    “That also centers on faith and family. Traditionally in the African-American community … you see grandparents raising children, aunts raising children. You’ve seen family members adopting other family members’ children. We network to make sure our children are taken care of,” she said. “That’s something for us that’s never been labeled pro-life, it’s just the way we live.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Russian sales to Europe are a far higher percentage of its overall sales of gas than India and China are, and neither one can make up for the loss of those Eurppean markets, not even together, at this time. For them to do that requires infrastructure that isn't there yet.

    It is widely believed that the means by which Putin is keeping the ruble's value high are largely not something he can maintain forever, especially as European purchases continue to rapidly decline in preparation for a complete embargo.

    None of us can predict what's going to happen but if you want to blame anyone for any of this, particularly the threat of famine, you might wanna blame the guy who nobody forced to invade another sovereign nation.
    The invasion didn't have world economic consequences, the sanctions did.

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    So...

    There's the difference.

    While most folks ain't even going to consider being truly sympathetic to an unrepentant likely pedophile?

    It is a whole other kettle of fish all across the South when it comes to this issue.

    The idea that Southern Dems will be a monolith when it comes to this just feels like it might not break the way folks would think it will.

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    The religious support abortion rights—except for White evangelicals: Pew found Americans with religious affiliations are far more likely to oppose abortion than the nonreligious (82% of whom believe abortion should be legal), but with the exception of white evangelical Protestants (77% of whom believe abortion should be illegal), a higher share of every religious group polled—white non-evangelicals, Black Protestants and Catholics—favor abortion rights.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=23bba16a7ac1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    The invasion didn't have world economic consequences, the sanctions did.
    Big yikes here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    The invasion didn't have world economic consequences, the sanctions did.
    So have you convinced yourself that the one didn’t cause the other?

    And there’s also the direct economic consequences of the invasion…the thousands of potentially productive lives thrown away, the billions of pounds of property damage, the consequences on world wheat production, etc, etc.
    Last edited by JackDaw; 05-04-2022 at 12:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Big yikes here.
    Does that mean that the invasion had world economic consequences or that the sanctions didn't? Can you work with facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    So have you convinced yourself that the one didn’t cause the other?

    And there’s also the direct economic consequences of the invasion…the thousands of potentially productive lives thrown away, the billions of pounds of property damage.
    I said "world", Ukraine isn't the world, as much as you might hear about it. And BTW, sanctions came first, so get your ducks in a row before shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    You mean it was, it's down by 29%, but China's up by 60%, so don't be surprised when the faucet is closed come winter.
    None of this changes the ihuge infrastructural issue they face and the fact that China basically gets to decide the price, which will not be as favorable to Russia.

    BEIJING — Last year, the Grand Aniva, a Russian tanker with four spherical tanks for holding ultracold liquefied natural gas, sailed back and forth between a gas field in eastern Russia and depots in Japan and Taiwan. But two days after Russia invaded Ukraine, the ship switched routes, sailing to China instead.

    The voyages of the tanker, which is as long as three football fields, underlined that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia can still find buyers in Asia for his country’s fossil fuel exports despite Western sanctions. He needs to look for buyers as governments exact more pressure on his country to try to stop its war in Ukraine, including an expected move in the next several days by the European Union to gradually halt imports of Russian oil.

    Mr. Putin called on April 14 for his country “to redirect our exports gradually to the rapidly growing markets of the South and the East.” Two obvious destinations are China, the world’s largest energy market, and India, the world’s third largest. (The United States is No. 2 in energy use.)

    But any attempt to shift Russia’s energy exports to Asia from Europe would face major obstacles. Russia would need to offer steep discounts to make its oil and coal exports worth the risk and cost to buyers, and would need to start the yearslong task of building more ports and pipelines for natural gas exports.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/b...y-ukraine.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Does that mean that the invasion had world economic consequences or that the sanctions didn't? Can you work with facts?
    Pretty sure the invasion did, in fact, have world consequences. You can't invade a country that produces a huge share of the world's wheat and then blame the other countries for the famine that disruption causes.

    Even if the rest of the world had bizarrely decided to ignore Russian aggression and allow the complete collapse of Ukraine and Russian annexation, there still would have been global consequences for wheat production, and that's ignoring the fact that Russia was plainly contemplating the invasion of other non-NATO nations like Moldova.
    Last edited by Tendrin; 05-04-2022 at 12:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    I said "world", Ukraine isn't the world, as much as you might hear about it. And BTW, sanctions came first, so get your ducks in a row before shooting.
    Which sanctions came before the invasion? Was your hero Vlad refused a Visa Mastercard or some such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    None of this changes the ihuge infrastructural issue they face and the fact that China basically gets to decide the price, which will not be as favorable to Russia.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/b...y-ukraine.html
    Which is why they haven't closed the faucet yet, it doesn't suit them. But they'll get there. It's a race to see who reaches that point first, Europe stopping buying or Russian stopping selling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Which is why they haven't closed the faucet yet, it doesn't suit them. But they'll get there. It's a race to see who reaches that point first, Europe stopping buying or Russian stopping selling.
    Russia made some performative gestures of stopping to sell to some small economies that were not that reliant on their gas, anyway.

    Some people fell for it, apparently.
    Last edited by CaptainEurope; 05-04-2022 at 12:35 AM.

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