If it's just a matter of both sides are just as bad, then why are we building nuclear submarines for Australia, a country that is known to have murdered Muslim civilians, including children, essentially for sport as a way of "breaking in" their soldiers, supposedly to protect them from China, who has done no such thing. And honestly, it astonishes me how people bitch and moan about China being overpopulated and using up too many resources on one hand, and then complain about the one child policy on the other. If you care about the well being of Chinese women and children so much, maybe stop threatening to destroy their country.
No one is threatening them, simply forming pre-emptive alliances to make sure the one party, communist regime has someone to counter them.
In addition, there's a difference between rogue soldiers or bad drone strikes, and building entire institutions dedicated to erasing a people's culture and history.
Both are bad.
But one is clearly much worse. And doesn't have the excuse of a fog of war.
When it comes to the Oz soldiers, I really have no idea WTF you're alluding to. I've provided articles to back up my position, and you've done none of that. You've just made vague statements about why the evil Assussies shouldn't have subs because of what they did to some muslims that one time, with the thing.
So please, put up or, ya know...
I'm sure not much worse than what went on in the Japanese internment camps in the U.S. during WWII, so they're perfectly acceptable. I'm sure reports of banning religious freedoms, forced labor, political indoctrination, systemic rape, torture, forced sterilization, and forced abortions have all been exaggerated.
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To get the full effect, maybe you can try replacing Australia with China everywhere it appears, so you can get properly outraged instead of preemptively dismissing the incidents as a nothingburger.
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Why is the murder of 39 people so much worse than turning the entire power of the state against an entire minority group?
What you posted is a war crime, I don't dispute that.
But it doesn't absolve China from their various cultural genocides, which are happening on a far greater scale.
Again, one is terrible. But the other is worse.
This is tragic. And those who committed these murders need to be held responsible. But why should this prevent Australia from entering in a deal to buy subs from France or the USA? And the sale of those Subs to one country would only be a threat to China if China makes moves against them. If they Dont go after Australia I am sure they wont have to worry about an Aussie sub floating down the Yangtze blowing up cities.
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This is well documented and nobody involved really disputes the details. What you are alleging about Xinjiang is absolutely not documented at all and is mostly just projection on your part.
Why would you be sure about that? Australia has tagged along in pretty much all of America’s wars and foreign warships sailing down the Yangtze was a frequent occurrence before the communists took power.
Last edited by PwrdOn; 09-19-2021 at 02:06 PM.
If someone were to show me some grainy satellite images of some purported mosque demolitions, I wouldn’t immediately jump to the conclusion that it was evidence of some massive state sponsored operation to wipe an entire culture from the face of the earth. And if someone were to show me evidence of Uyghurs being very much alive and practicing their traditional culture, I probably would not immediately assume they were all just paid propagandists or whatever. And I mean, Xinjiang is not closed off, you very much can go visit and see for yourself and, presumably being a white American, will be treated quite well by everyone while you’re there.
I do not doubt that Uyghurs do suffer from a degree of discrimination and marginalization, and that the policies the Chinese government has implemented in Xinjiang are likely creating more problems than they fix. What I doubt is YOUR intentions and YOUR concern for a group of people you likely never heard of and knew nothing about until this recent propaganda war between the US and China heated up.
Last edited by PwrdOn; 09-19-2021 at 02:24 PM.
It's not just grainy videos, thanks.
It's the videos, it's the demolished graveyard with a park placed over it, it's state surveillance, mass deportations and hundreds of interviews with people who've been in the camps.
You're using one part of evidence to dismiss all of it, and the work of aid agencies who've put themselves at risk to get the information out.
And for all of the atrocities committed by Australia, the US, and other "democratic" nations we have dead bodies, lots and lots of them. If you want to say that both are just as bad, then you need to apply the same standard of evidence on both sides. If you're going to assert that one side is worse despite the fact that far LESS evidence exists for its misdeeds than for the other, then I really don't know what to tell you.
Just be honest with me here, before this current spat with China started circa 2017 or so, did you even know that there was a Muslim ethnic group living in the northwest of the country with a distinct culture? It's okay if you didn't, I had no idea who the Rohingya were before they started showing up in the news either.
well, at least PwrdOn didn't deny that China invaded Vietnam. so, that's encouraging!
so, is the idea that they sent over 200,000 soldiers and hundreds of tanks into Vietnamese territory for something other than territorial gain? what could that motive be?
why would they do this? why would they keep fighting for nearly a month? why would China launch a three pronged massive invasion, fight for nearly a month, withdraw, and then claim that they "won"?
just because they failed and backed out doesn't mean that China wasn't expecting an easy victory against an adversary (and former ally) that they looked down on. it also doesn't negate the possibility that China fully intended on KEEPING the territory they expected to easily conquer. you deny that China had territorial ambitions... and yet, you never bothered to provide an alternative motive!
so, it's good that China backed out. maybe they didn't want to emulate the Soviet or US occupation scenarios of Afghanistan. that's pretty sensible.
but saying that the borders didn't change shouldn't let them off the hook for trying!
that's like saying that if somebody attempts to rape another person, but fails to do so, that we should let them off the hook! after all, it wasn't actual rape... it was just an attempt!