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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Like many people, I'm still traumatized from 2016.

    And we can't rule out a Trump win. My paranoia won't allow me too.
    Same.

    God, I hate how that if it weren't for COVID, Trump would likely be heading towards an easy win. And still might despite his BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    It really should just be the popular vote. I mean, why is it not the majority of americans who get to decide who their president is? It's absurd and it has cost us dearly several times.

    Just because we now look back fondly on the "quiet dignity" of Dubya, doesn't mean he was a good president who didn't win a stolen election.

    If republicans want to win, maybe they should run on policies that appeal to more voters! And if you can't win that way, maybe your politics are outmoded. What a fucking wild idea!

    While we're at it, lets do away with gerrymandering districts. Just cut that shit out completely.
    The reason the Electoral College was created is so one or two big cities could not disenfranchise the countryside, which made sense when America was a mainly rural nation not so much now.

    Our problem is that many career politicians hold the Founding Fathers in such reverence they can't bring themselves to change anything the guys did forgetting that much has changed since the 18th Century.

    As an aside. I can't take anyone seriously who talks about Dubya in such terms (not you). "Quiet dignity" my ass. The guy was a war criminal. His decisions destroyed millions of lives, mainly innocent Iraqis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    It really should just be the popular vote. I mean, why is it not the majority of americans who get to decide who their president is? It's absurd and it has cost us dearly several times.

    Just because we now look back fondly on the "quiet dignity" of Dubya, doesn't mean he was a good president who didn't win a stolen election.

    If republicans want to win, maybe they should run on policies that appeal to more voters! And if you can't win that way, maybe your politics are outmoded. What a fucking wild idea!

    While we're at it, lets do away with gerrymandering districts. Just cut that shit out completely.
    The 2000 election wasn't stolen. The electoral college was the established rules.

    It's also not immediately clear that if we did away with the electoral college that the candidates who won that way wouldn't be able to win under the new rules with different campaigning/ strategy.

    I'll note that I can appreciate the wisdom of switching to a presidential popular vote, but there are significant hurdles in getting the popular vote from fifty different jurisdictions, that have their own regulations (at what point is someone allowed to vote? what third party presidential candidates are allowed on the ballot?) There are potential fixes to all of this, including a nationalization of voting procedures and regulations, but it can be messy.

    The biggest potential problem is what happens when there's a major third party candidate. In 1992, Bill Clinton won the popular vote with 43 percent. His dominance of the electoral college helped him have more credibility.

    As for gerrymandering, I think the effects have been greatly exaggerated, but it is bad policy to allow legislators to choose their constituents. One of my concerns is the lack of clearly defined alternatives. The main idea is to give it to an independent body, although this could easily be abused, if partisan hacks are given control adding a veneer of respectability without any potential pushback from voters. We really need to come up with some standards about how districts should be formed, so that we can determine if the independent body is doing its job. In the political discussions on this, I don't see much consideration of what those standards should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    The reason the Electoral College was created is so one or two big cities could not disenfranchise the countryside, which made sense when America was a mainly rural nation not so much now.

    Our problem is that many career politicians hold the Founding Fathers in such reverence they can't bring themselves to change anything the guys did forgetting that much has changed since the 18th Century.

    As an aside. I can't take anyone seriously who talks about Dubya in such terms (not you). "Quiet dignity" my ass. The guy was a war criminal. His decisions destroyed millions of lives, mainly innocent Iraqis.
    Yeah the original founding fathers are nothing like the current stuff. Women could not vote, weed was legal, the majority were slave owners/farming barons and how they became America.

    America was due to our ancestors being so pushed off at a government that abused power over them, treating them stupid, and taxing them.

    Hell the Trump tariffs is the same damn thing as what a George 3 did then. Yet these people are too ignorant or uncaring to look this shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    Same.

    God, I hate how that if it weren't for COVID, Trump would likely be heading towards an easy win. And still might despite his BS
    If Trump does win, which I still predict will happen, I think "Hunter Biden's Laptop" will have played a decisive role by tipping enough independents his way and supercharging his base. It is Weiner all over again.
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