All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Revolutionary_Jack]

What's happening now with these rioters and Parler users is why I've always been fine with the Patriot Act. When it's done right, it's done like this.

This isn't the same as the Patriot Act. The reason why FB and twitter and others are deplatforming Trumpworld is because of popular consumer blowback. These are consumer products and if consumers reject or dislike or object to stuff in the platform, then the platform owners responding to that makes fiscal sense.

Likewise, deplatforming twitter and FB came because employees at both companies at various levels objected to this after the Trump Putsch, so this was also in some senses a union victory of a sort or workers democratically holding their corporate leader accountable.

The issue is that Facebook and twitter have always been consumer products but they have functioned and operated as public utilities making profits by data use, mining, information and access. They harvest the benefits of social media without any of the responsibilities and duties and were accountable to no one.

So that's why what happened on Wednesday and Thursday feels like a free speech or censorship issue when it isn't. Taking down Trump is certainly a chink in the armor of social media (who've steadily irritated people across the spectrum these last four years) and it might lead to the start of the regulation of Social media and Silicon Valley. That's why for me the Silicon Valley takedown is like the finale of Scorsese's CASINO where the mob bosses get brought to prison and decide to purge out and whack as many people involved as possible:



The Casino skimming days are over. The Wild West days of the internet are over, and now it's making do with the remains of the days. Silicon Valley are gonna have to get their head out of the California Libertarian ideology.

[Hellion]

This isn't the same as the Patriot Act. The reason why FB and twitter and others are deplatforming Trumpworld is because of popular consumer blowback. These are consumer products and if consumers reject or dislike or object to stuff in the platform, then the platform owners responding to that makes fiscal sense.

Likewise, deplatforming twitter and FB came because employees at both companies at various levels objected to this after the Trump Putsch, so this was also in some senses a union victory of a sort or workers democratically holding their corporate leader accountable.

The issue is that Facebook and twitter have always been consumer products but they have functioned and operated as public utilities making profits by data use, mining, information and access. They harvest the benefits of social media without any of the responsibilities and duties and were accountable to no one.

So that's why what happened on Wednesday and Thursday feels like a free speech or censorship issue when it isn't. Taking down Trump is certainly a chink in the armor of social media (who've steadily irritated people across the spectrum these last four years) and it might lead to the start of the regulation of Social media and Silicon Valley. That's why for me the Silicon Valley takedown is like the finale of Scorsese's CASINO where the mob bosses get brought to prison and decide to purge out and whack as many people involved as possible:



The Casino skimming days are over. The Wild West days of the internet are over, and now it's making do with the remains of the days. Silicon Valley are gonna have to get their head out of the California Libertarian ideology.

I wasn't referring to social media platform bans; I was thinking instead of how rapidly we've already identified and apprehended many of those who were at the Capitol last week, and presumably with the captured user info from Parler coming in, the police and FBI will be rounding up even more people. Using technology to identify and track terrorists like this, and to also gather evidence from them like social media posts inciting violence or showing a plan to commit violence, this is what the Patriot Act was intended to do (I'm aware that the Patriot Act itself is in limbo, having not been renewed in March when it was supposed to be).

[babyblob]

I am sure that this is in no way an attempt to deflect attention from what happened on the 6th and its fall out.

But Cnn is reporting that Mike Pompeo has redesignated Cuba as a state sponsor of Terrorism and that Cuba will be held accountable for for supporting Terrorism and trying to destroy American justice.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I am sure that this is in no way an attempt to deflect attention from what happened on the 6th and its fall out.

But Cnn is reporting that Mike Pompeo has redesignated Cuba as a state sponsor of Terrorism and that Cuba will be held accountable for for supporting Terrorism and trying to destroy American justice.

Got one word about that....DISTRACTION.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I am sure that this is in no way an attempt to deflect attention from what happened on the 6th and its fall out.

But Cnn is reporting that Mike Pompeo has redesignated Cuba as a state sponsor of Terrorism and that Cuba will be held accountable for for supporting Terrorism and trying to destroy American justice.

1) What act of terrorism has Cuba sponsored lately? In the past, it's been the victim of terrorist attacks sponsored by Cuban-Americans, as recently as the '90s (a wonderful movie called WASP NETWORK is on Netflix dealing with this, it has Penelope Cruz and Ana de Armas and Edgar Ramirez).

2) Does Pompeo plan on putting the US Government and his boss on that list too? Because what happened in the Capitol is a terrorist attack sponsored by the White House.

[Robotman]

So they're trying to get people rilled up about Cuba. was going on Fox News and jangling keys option 2?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

So they're trying to get people rilled up about Cuba. was going on Fox News and jangling keys option 2?

What are they gonna do, nuke Cuba? People have family there, not to mention Guantanamo Bay is there, any nuke on Cuba will lead to fallout reaching the base, and the servicemen there, while also wafting around the Caribbean to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republican, oh and Miami for that matter.

[Amadeus Arkham]

[Hellion]

Republicans need a new boogeyman to unite/distract their supporters from the fact that the party is being roundly f***ed right now.

I assumed it was going to be social media companies, but it doesn't look like the GOP are gonna win that particular war.

[babyblob]

So here is a question I thought I would never ask but this is where we are now.

I am guessing the Trump was pretty sure that the 6th would fail. But he wanted to test what the reaction from law enforcement and The national Guard would be. Now that he has caused chaos they have to boost law enforcement and national guard personal for the 20th. The question is who can we trust among those people? Which ones will act and which ones will sit back and do nothing or even (Hate thinking this) Join if more people storm the capital during Biden's inauguration?

Am I being a fear monger or is this a legit concern? I am hoping that you guys on here will tell me I am worrying over nothing.

[Robotman]

So here is a question I thought I would never ask but this is where we are now.

I am guessing the Trump was pretty sure that the 6th would fail. But he wanted to test what the reaction from law enforcement and The national Guard would be. Now that he has caused chaos they have to boost law enforcement and national guard personal for the 20th. The question is who can we trust among those people? Which ones will act and which ones will sit back and do nothing or even (Hate thinking this) Join if more people storm the capital during Biden's inauguration?

Am I being a fear monger or is this a legit concern? I am hoping that you guys on here will tell me I am worrying over nothing.

It's definitely not out of the question. It has been revealed that there were numerous off duty and former cops amongst the rioters and Trump has huge support amongst state law enforcement agencies (which he loves to brag about).

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I am guessing the Trump was pretty sure that the 6th would fail.

I don't think we can assume that. That assumes there's some rational plan underneath everything for 45 but there isn't. Trump is a gambler and a chancer, he likes to go for the unconventional Hail Mary plays and he likes to show strength. This isn't some guy with a master plan who's four or five or six moves ahead. He likes to do big bold things and see where it takes him.

My feeling is that Trump intended the Putsch to attack, harass, intimidate the electorate, or in the case the Republican Senate into invalidating the Election count or delay it so as to deny Biden any legitimacy. Trump wanted a second term, no doubt. He was aiming for a constitutional crisis at the low end, and an outright coup d'etat at the high end, and hey if some Republicans, or say Pence get it...well, sad!

But he wanted to test what the reaction from law enforcement and The national Guard would be.

Not a test. Trump intended to do what the rioters tried in fact to do.

The question is who can we trust among those people? Which ones will act and which ones will sit back and do nothing or even (Hate thinking this) Join if more people storm the capital during Biden's inauguration?

That's a legitimate and troubling question and right now the mood will be super paranoid because of that.

Am I being a fear monger or is this a legit concern?

It absolutely is a legit concern.

I am hoping that you guys on here will tell me I am worrying over nothing.

And I wish I could do that.

That said, I think the US Secret Service will be professional and on top of this. They're going to keep Biden safe no doubts about it.

I can't imagine the majority in the Beltway not thinking in unison, "This. Never. Happens. Ever. Again".

[Joker]

It’s a legit concern my dude.

How realistic a concern? If anyone knew that anymore, it wouldn’t be a concern, but despite every warning, nobody really saw the 6th coming, either.

[DrNewGod]

I don't think we can assume that. That assumes there's some rational plan underneath everything for 45 but there isn't. Trump is a gambler and a chancer, he likes to go for the unconventional Hail Mary plays and he likes to show strength. This isn't some guy with a master plan who's four or five or six moves ahead. He likes to do big bold things and see where it takes him.

My feeling is that Trump intended the Putsch to attack, harass, intimidate the electorate, or in the case the Republican Senate into invalidating the Election count or delay it so as to deny Biden any legitimacy. Trump wanted a second term, no doubt. He was aiming for a constitutional crisis at the low end, and an outright coup d'etat at the high end, and hey if some Republicans, or say Pence get it...well, sad!



Not a test. Trump intended to do what the rioters tried in fact to do.



That's a legitimate and troubling question and right now the mood will be super paranoid because of that.



It absolutely is a legit concern.



And I wish I could do that.

That said, I think the US Secret Service will be professional and on top of this. They're going to keep Biden safe no doubts about it.

I can't imagine the majority in the Beltway not thinking in unison, "This. Never. Happens. Ever. Again".

On the bright side, Parler getting its shorts dropped probably has a few of the sorts BB's concerned about looking over their shoulders and thinking twice on any "bold, patriotic" acts.

[AtheistInRed]

Video shows Capitol mob dragging police officer down stairs. One rioter beat the officer with a pole flying the U.S. flag.

But Blue Lives Matter and all that.

Lmfao!

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