All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Jack Dracula]

Would you really want an overall system that allows late abortions for non medical reasons??

The implication here being that any reason not medically related isn’t valid?
Another question might be do we really want children born to people who lack the mental, emotional, or financial stability to properly care for them?

[Kirby101]

Late term abortion is not a medical term and never used by medical professionals. It is a catch phrase invented by the Christo-fascist anti-women pack. Use the medically correct third trimester abortion please.


https://www.ansirh.org/research/rese...ster-abortions

Worth reading, it is more nuanced than some here think.

Key Findings
There are two pathways by which people come to need a third-trimester abortion: new information and barriers to abortion before the third trimester.
The limits of medical knowability mean some information about a pregnancy is simply not available before the third trimester. For instance, clinical research shows that some serious fetal health issues are not observable until the third trimester of pregnancy.
Interviewees needed an abortion in circumstances that were similar to those of people who need abortions in the first and second trimesters. While third-trimester abortion may be exceptional in its cost, clinical complexity, logistics, and low social support, the reasons people need third-trimester abortion care are not.
Instead of a focus on gestation or trimesters, these findings make a strong case for conceptualizing a need for abortion throughout pregnancy.
Study Design

And again, we are talking about 1% of all abortions, but it is what the anti-women groups focus on to make all abortion illegal. They even want to ban the morning after pill. And we are talking about the majority of the anti-abortion crowd. And people here don't want to acknowledge that THEY are the extremists.

[Tendrin]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1556281822824251392

Stacy Abrams lays it out correctly:

"We know voting isn't magic. Voting is medicine. And we've got to keep taking it… "

[Mister Mets]

The implication here being that any reason not medically related isn’t valid?
Another question might be do we really want children born to people who lack the mental, emotional, or financial stability to properly care for them?

Adoption is a possibility in those situations.

This also leads into the question of whether parents should be the ones to determine whether they have the appropriate mental, emotional or financial stability.

The news media are largely to blame for amplifying crazy do-nothing big mouths because they love extremes and they love a train wreck. If you ask people the names of the hardest working reps who actually accomplished something, they wouldn’t know them at all. Instead, they only hear about the people who’ve achieved nothing (or less than nothing) because it’s more interesting to talk show hosts and sensationalist talking heads.

This is a good point.

The media very rarely covers the basic question of the effectiveness of elected officials. When organizations grade legislators, it's about support for an agenda rather than independent thinking.

I would like to see an effort to write profiles of legislators, complete with a grade for their accomplishments according to a predefined rubric. It's especially odd that we don't see anything like this during contentious elections when voters would be especially interested in knowing how effective someone was at their job.

Meanwhile, the hacks know how to get free media by being partisan loudmouths.

I actually think the death penalty is cruel and unusual, but that's another discussion.

I would compare abortion more to gay marriage, or interracial marriage, or others things the voters should not have a say in what other people can do with their lives.

Interracial and gay marriage are positive things. If someone chooses to exclude people of different races as romantic prospects, we think less of that person.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1556281822824251392

Stacy Abrams lays it out correctly:

Absolutely brilliant!

[mortari]

Would you really want an overall system that allows late abortions for non medical reasons??

this question is bad question. the only people who should ever have answer this are people who are in the capable of being in the 3rd trimester of a pregnancy. NO ONE else deserves to ask this and expect an answer.

[CaptainEurope]

Ah. So essentially, Republicans putting lots of poison pills out to keep people up.

... and a surprising amount of Bernie Sanders amendments that, if gaining a majority of votes, apparently would risk Manchin and Sinema no longer voting for the bill, so EVERYBODY except Sanders votes "no" on these.

He is putting Democrats on the record as voting against things that they want, and that are often part of Biden's agenda. This is... a bit selfish, methinks.

[Kirby101]

Interracial and gay marriage are positive things. If someone chooses to exclude people of different races as romantic prospects, we think less of that person.

Women having control over their medical decisions is also a good thing. I think less of a person who imposes their bronze age morality onto someone else in a free society.

[Kirby101]

... and a surprising amount of Bernie Sanders amendments that, if gaining a majority of votes, apparently would risk Manchin and Sinema no longer voting for the bill, so EVERYBODY except Sanders votes "no" on these.

He is putting Democrats on the record as voting against things that they want, and that are often part of Biden's agenda. This is... a bit selfish, methinks.

To what end Bernie? Losing the House and Senate in November?

[useridgoeshere]

... and a surprising amount of Bernie Sanders amendments that, if gaining a majority of votes, apparently would risk Manchin and Sinema no longer voting for the bill, so EVERYBODY except Sanders votes "no" on these.

He is putting Democrats on the record as voting against things that they want, and that are often part of Biden's agenda. This is... a bit selfish, methinks.

Maybe Republicans should have voted for them strategically to kill the bill.

[Jack Dracula]

Adoption is a possibility in those situations.

This also leads into the question of whether parents should be the ones to determine whether they have the appropriate mental, emotional or financial stability.

Adoption isn’t as much of an option for children who aren’t white. The majority of Americans seeking to adopt are white and they don’t tend to seek non-white children.
As to the second point, I’d say that certain states have already taken that choice from people.

[CSTowle]

this question is bad question. the only people who should ever have answer this are people who are in the capable of being in the 3rd trimester of a pregnancy. NO ONE else deserves to ask this and expect an answer.

It's not. There are many issues that we collectively either vote on or vote for representatives to vote on that don't apply to us at all. It'd be like saying only those who have children should weigh in on school policies, or those who are in the military or working for defense contractors on defense spending.

I understand the sentiment, and the needs (or even just preferences) of those most impacted by a law should weigh heavily in any discussion. But part of the whole democracy thing is pitching in and having a say on the issues of society as a whole. I agree with Kirby that fringe/extreme cases are used as political distraction and theater from the discussion, but on the other hand those extreme cases will eventually happen and we need to be prepared and have an answer when they occur.

[Kirby101]

There are Rights that are not up to a majority of voters. The Supreme Court rightfully ruled in Roe that a woman's medical decision is one of them.

What is taught in school, or what we spend on the military are not Rights.

[babyblob]

The choice should 100 percent be in the hands of woman. I said I personally dont agree with it. But the difference between myself and the GOP Cult is I am not trying to force that on anyone. I am not saying it should be banned, I am not voting for people that want to ban it I am not shaming and threatening people that believe it in or do it.

That is the difference between an opinion and oppression and many on the GOP dont know where to draw that line.

[Iron Maiden]

Here's a frightening thought....

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, seen here at last week's Saudi-funded tournament at Trump's Bedminster Golf Course, says she would be honored to be Trump's running mate if he choose to run in 2024. That is the ticket from Hell.

Going from right to left, this could be captioned Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest.