All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

They are popular with the media, the far left, and within their own districts. They're certainly not popular in say, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Nebraska, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida......

You see where I'm going with this? Now again, that may change but a Democratic candidate in order to win the Presidency as the US is currently constructed has to turn some red states blue, and the only Democratic candidates who've been able to do that in the past 44 years were substantially more moderate than AOC or The Squad.

Florida probably not, but we don’t really have evidence because they typically don’t run there. When they do run in non traditional districts they tend to have as good or better success. They won districts Dems struggled in. The reality is people like Sanders tend to have high popularity marks and so do their policies.

[Jack Dracula]

Does anyone know anything about this? I don't believe all this stuff about fraud and votes being 'found,' but I did find this somewhat unsettling:
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Do your research. The location they’re referring to had both Democratic and Republican offials observing the count. The Trump campaign people weren’t allowed entry because there wasn’t room.

[kingaliencracker]

So for what it's worth, Biden's lead in Nevada has gained since counting has resumed or whatever the heck Nevada is doing. Again, he just needs to keep Nevada and this is over.

[Mecegirl]

They are popular with the media, the far left, and within their own districts. They're certainly not popular in say, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Nebraska, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida......

You see where I'm going with this? Now again, that may change but a Democratic candidate in order to win the Presidency as the US is currently constructed has to turn some red states blue, and the only Democratic candidates who've been able to do that in the past 44 years were substantially more moderate than AOC or The Squad.

If they win the primary so be it. But they gotta win the primary. Look at South Carolina. Yes Black people, especially older ones, tend to be more conservative and thus prefer moderate candidates. But they also don't trust White people, especially conservatives ones. That's why it took a bit for Black folks to rally behind Obama. There was an initial expectation that he wouldn't be supported by the Party. But once that hurdle was cleared they were ready to fight for him.

If they feel that the candidate would be dismissed they will side eye him/her.

[Username taken]

Progressive policies have been quite popular in the country. Even in areas that vote GOP.

That to me means the Democrats need to improve their ground game in certain parts of the country. Having a position is one thing, presenting it an acceptable manner is another.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Would this constitute voter intimidation allowed by the higher courts?.

A Pennsylvania judge has granted the Trump campaign’s request to observe -- up-close -- Philadelphia poll workers as they process the remaining mail-in ballots, overturning earlier rules that kept them further back out of concern about the coronavirus.

Judge Christine Fizzano Cannon reversed a lower court decision, and concluded that “all candidates, watchers, or candidate representatives be permitted to be present for the canvassing process … and be permitted to observe all aspects of the canvassing process within 6 feet, while adhering to all COVID-19 protocols, including, wearing masks and maintaining social distancing.”

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In other news Donald Trump and his campaign are declaring victory on Friday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...alive-and-well

[Powerboy]

Progressive policies have been quite popular in the country. Even in areas that vote GOP.

That to me means the Democrats need to improve their ground game in certain parts of the country. Having a position is one thing, presenting it an acceptable manner is another.

Somewhere along the way, the Republicans have managed to sell themselves as the party of the common man and woman, the working class, which was traditionally the domain of the Democrats. I'm not saying it's true but if you keep repeating a lie loud enough and enough times...

Meanwhile, I think, to many Conservatives, the Democrats have become the party of anti-police/ anti-law and order and of "Choose your own gender" restrooms.

I think police reform and Trans rights are extremely important. But I'm talking about perception. Trump won for a lot of reasons but talking about bringing jobs and income back to America and boosting the economy along with "Law and order" and pure isolationism was a big part of it. Sure, they were all lies or misapplied and bigoted applications but it gave Conservatives the feeling the Republicans cared about them while giving the feeling Democrats care only about what they perceive as fringe or radical issues.

Democrats, in the long run, need to show some courage and push the human rights issues while solidly establishing that they are the party of the people.

The problem comes when people perceive stupid things as being "for the people". Going back to Coal? Pushing a very finite resource like oil? Tribalism encompassing everything from isolationism to Trump's ridiculous wall.

Granted this race, because of the Electoral college, is creating a misconception about how popular and believed the Republicans are. On the popular vote, they would be ousted in a landslide.

[BeastieRunner]

The problem with AOC is that her own party doesn't take her seriously and there's no way she would win the midwest or southern states. She would need to dial her extreme policies back substantially to have any shot.

They are popular with the media, the far left, and within their own districts. They're certainly not popular in say, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Nebraska, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida......

You see where I'm going with this? Now again, that may change but a Democratic candidate in order to win the Presidency as the US is currently constructed has to turn some red states blue, and the only Democratic candidates who've been able to do that in the past 44 years were substantially more moderate than AOC or The Squad.

Yet a non-binary black Muslim person won in OK.

[kingaliencracker]

In other news Donald Trump and his campaign are declaring victory on Friday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...alive-and-well

I would just tell people to shrug their shoulders at this. He has to overtake Biden in Nevada or he has no chance, even if he maintains PA, GA, and NC.

[GindyPosts]

Alaska is going to Trump, but you don't see him demanding they not begin counting absentee ballots next week.

Especially since those ballots could help kick Mike Dunleavy out of office.

Just another example about how specific and hypocritical his argument is.

[kingaliencracker]

Alaska is going to Trump, but you don't see him demanding they not begin counting absentee ballots next week.

Especially since those ballots could help kick Mike Dunleavy out of office.

Just another example about how specific and hypocritical his argument is.

He only wanted them to stop counting in Michigan and Wisconsin because initially he had a lead in those states. Notice how he's not asking for them to stop counting in Nevada or Arizona?

[Bruce Wayne]

Somewhere along the way, the Republicans have managed to sell themselves as the party of the common man and woman, the working class, which was traditionally the domain of the Democrats. I'm not saying it's true but if you keep repeating a lie loud enough and enough times...

Meanwhile, I think, to many Conservatives, the Democrats have become the party of anti-police/ anti-law and order and of "Choose your own gender" restrooms.

I think police reform and Trans rights are extremely important. But I'm talking about perception.

Perceptions are shaped by the media and Democrats don't have organizations like Foxnews and Facebook working on their behalf. They can't win if rich plutocrats are putting their hands on the political scale for the GOP. It's even questionable if they even should try given that they would most likely lose such a contest.

[PwrdOn]

I think lots of left-wing and right-wing polices are popular and have staying power. But let me just call a spade a spade. The Democrats will be hard pressed to push a young socialist as their candidate in traditionally red or swing states. That's why despite Sanders' popularity he never got on the ballot. Maybe that will change in the next several years, who knows? But I don't see it changing in the foreseeable future.

It's unfortunate that such a large percentage of the country buys into that red scare propaganda and will immediately recoil from any ideas that involve helping others or shared responsibility, but the USA is rather unique in this regard and people like Bernie or AOC would be considered moderates in much of the rest of the world. But we shouldn't let this stop the rest of us from moving the country forward, especially because if we don't invest in healthcare, education, clean energy, infrastructure, and all the rest, we will quickly be left behind by the rest of the world. If we keep ignoring all of these pressing concerns in favor of investing even more in fracking, we're going to end up as some backward petrostate that can't compete in the global economy of the future. We're already falling way behind in terms of producing talent that can actually work in most of these important high tech sectors, anyone who has ever been in a university department where nearly all of the students are international and the few Americans tend to be the worst of the bunch can attest to this. For now, we can continue prospering because we have control of pretty much every important global institution and can flex our military muscle to slap down anyone that challenges us, but that's not going to hold up forever. If we keep pandering to closed minded, uneducated, selfish people and letting their needs dictate the direction of the country, we're going to be fucked, period.

[BeastieRunner]

Biden extended his lead from ~11K in Nevada to ~15K. He started the day with an ~8K lead.

Jo Jorgenson added nearly ~10K votes to her total in the last 36 hours in NV.