All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[babyblob]

NBC News did a story that was pretty good. Talking about how in Texas there are Pregnancy Crisis Centers that help pregnant woman. They have told women that abortion causes among other things Cancer, Infertility and mental illness. When one woman who was an NBC producer who was working on the story asked about the Abortion Pill the worker told her she would never get over seeing that baby. Then showed her some different sized models of fetuses and asked her "Can you imagine finding this in your Panties?"

And these are tax payer funded places that have no regulation as to what is being told to woman and one is under investigation because the man running it used tax payer money to buy land to grow hemp.

Now they do provide some good services like providing diapers, STD screening and Ultra Sound services at some.

But the disinformation is sickening.

[Kirby101]

Well, they probably should stop trying to undermine progressive candidates. They've spent just as much times attacking their left as they have their right. If you want things to change we need better candidates, and we need to vote for them in the primaries. Especially black voters, how did we let Eric Adams become mayor of NYC, and that's not getting into the **** show that was/is Baltimore.

So we have to appeal to the middle swing voters by nominated more progressive candidates? How will that work?
Adams became mayor because of the black vote. We did not let him, he narrowly won the primary and then was elected. It's called democracy.

[Madam-Shogun-Assassin]

So we have to appeal to the middle swing voters by nominated more progressive candidates? How will that work?
Adams became mayor because of the black vote. We did not let him, he narrowly won the primary and then was elected. It's called democracy.

Then we get everything we deserve then.

[Mister Mets]

I find it interesting that Conservatives, who build a political party around the concept of white male superiority, are also such cry babies. And society is going along with it. Sotomayor gets threatened by an actual murderer, it's a paragraph on page 16. Kavanaugh has a confused guy calling the cops on himself, it's frontpage news and laws get changed. Rudy gets a pat on his back, and FoxNews goes nuts (while avoiding to show the video which shows it was just a pat on his back).

The Kavanaugh story didn't get a lot of coverage in the US. And it was a pretty big deal, when someone with a gun and knife turned themselves in after being scared by his security and having a moment of clarity.

There are different reasons for the limited coverage of the Sotomayor story. It's about threats that occurred some time ago, so it's no longer news. The media may also be cautious about that story because left-wingers initially started talking about some crazy stuff when a judge's son was murdered, suggesting that Trump

No what the GOP lie about and say Democrats want and or are teaching is unpopular. CRT in math books, or lying about "grooming" kids with LGBT "agenda". That is all fake fearmongering ,as we all know, pushed by the GOP as an issue. That is not to say it isn't working for them as a made up issue echoed in right wing media. They just say CRT over and over again, and keep saying the gays are converting their kids instead of teaching the alphabet and it does work for some.

There are going to be some nuts on both sides.

The main thing for Democrats to do, especially in the context of education, is to be normal. Reject the stupid people on the left, and make it so that the main complaints on the right are from idiots who think that a history lesson was too mean to the confederacy.

This won't be perfect. Sometimes idiots will win low turnout elections, and there are some districts where more voters will hold extreme views. But it would be the best strategy.

Another thought, these Justices aren't "originalists" they are Confederate. The think State's Rights take precident over Federal Law and that the State's should decide what is constitutional.

Which recent Supreme Court decisions reject federal legislation.

Just a note on that article: it says '1 million join GOP!' and makes a big point of it, but then it only casually drops that the Dems got 600k.

"GOP outpaces Democrats by half a million' isn't quite the sexy headline that 'BIG WARNING FOR DEMS' is though.

That doesn't mean it's great news for Dems or anything, but we all ought to be aware how a lot of the media talks about democrats and how it *doesn't* talk about Republicans.

It's not great for Democrats if Republicans outpace them by half a million in new registrations.

Much of the media discussion in the past few years was about how the Republican party was on its deathbed, so the one million headline is a response to that.

[AnakinFlair]

Probably, but Bruce Bartlett said something i thought was interesting. He said Democrats let their guard down thinking the republicans gave up the fight/crusade against the new deal, the great society. He said they haven't and they won't. When Dem's let their guard down you get GWB trying to privatize medicare. Then top of that you have dems frankly still coddling corporation. We can blame Repubs, but Dems definitely deserve SOME of the blame. Frankly speaking I feel like they're out of their depths dealing with the Republicans, whom some Dems still see as their "friends". And their obsession with Bipartisanship.

I whole heartedly agree with you that the Dems share some of the blame.

Do you think Trump won an election a generic Republican would have lost?

And did he fight harder for Supreme Court nominees than another Republican would have?

Yes, I do think he won an election a generic Republican would have lost.

I'll be the first one to say that Hillary shot herself in the foot by not campaigning hard enough, and that she took for granted she was going to win, because HOW could America vote in Trump (we didn't, but that's a whole other rant about the Electoral College)? The thing is, Trump had the cult of celebrity behind him. He's been in the mainstream since the 80's in one form or another, from real estate, casinos, and hosting Wrestlemanias, to The Apprentice and all his media appearances. And John Q. Public has shown time and again that they will support a celebrity because they are a CELEBRITY. On top of that, Trump had a take no prisoners, own the Libs attitude that appealed to a lot of people.

As for the Supreme Court nominees- he didn't NEED to fight harder. The Republicans controlled the Senate. All he needed to do was nominate someone from a list provided to him by the Heritage Center, or McConnell, or BOTH, and McConnell would ram them through regardless of how man scandals they had or how unqualified they were. See Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.

[Mister Mets]

I wonder if all the hate for Thomas right now because of his rulings and the things he has said if any of the hearing will have some stuff about Ginni? Kind of a smear campaign to show what a POS he and his wife are?

A big part of it is that some people have expectations of how black people should act.

And it still blows me away that after 4 years of Trump and everything that we went through that there were people who went.

"Biden is boring. He has a Studder. I cant vote for him."

Who feels this way?

Again, the game plan shouldn't be "the grass is greener with us". The dems should figure out how to get that energy they had back in 2008.

They had a once in a generation political talent during a time when the other party was in charge, and we had a financial crisis, were several years into unpopular wars, and Republicans were blamed for screwing up the response to a national disaster.

Alright but dems have lost some voters and Biden's approval ratings are worse than trump's. Not everyone sees the GOP as being evil. What's wrong with trying to win them back instead of saying "you should have voted dem if you wanted gay marriage to remain legal".

That's a good point. A lot of the rhetoric about swing voters (including voters who are often on the sidelines) isn't the type of stuff that convinces people to join your side.

The motivation in 2016 was the GOP was stealing the Court and this is exactly what would happen. But that wasn't enough motivation?

Not really.

Democrats had a bad hand with a Supreme Court opening that would give them control of the court, at a time when Republicans held the Senate.

But they did play it badly.

There would other choices than Merrick Garland, who was conventionally respected (at a time when voters were obviously interested in outsiders like Sanders and Trump) but didn't have much of a constituency to motivate turnout.

It also didn't help that the Hillary Clinton campaign refused to commit to seating Garland, which undercut the argument that he is such an obviously impressive man he should get a vote ASAP.

Well, they probably should stop trying to undermine progressive candidates. They've spent just as much times attacking their left as they have their right. If you want things to change we need better candidates, and we need to vote for them in the primaries. Especially black voters, how did we let Eric Adams become mayor of NYC, and that's not getting into the **** show that was/is Baltimore.

Is there any indication progressive candidates do better in general elections?

There are more voters who would go for Eric Adams but not an AOC than the other way around.

[numberthirty]

Did you vote for Hillary and Biden? If so, why do you think other Americans can't clearly see what is going on and use the brains they were born with to figure it out. Do we have to tell them there will be cookies and ice cream if they vote for Democrats?

If you didn't get BBB done after some of them actually voted for you?

You had better figure something out if you even intend on keeping the folks that pulled a lever for you last time out.

Past that?

If folks are essentially saying "Everything Is At Stake..."?

Then, you had better be acting like it.

If that means having to ask folks what cookies they like and what their favorite flavor of ice cream is?

Past time that folks figured out that they need to do it.

For starters.

[babyblob]

@ Mets

To save space I am not going to quote the whole post and I am too lazy to trim it down.

As for who feels that way? There was tons of talk during the election and even now about Joementia. He studders he is not a good public speaker, looks lost. Hell Fox News had a story an hour about that and even CNN did a couple. There were people who talked about how lifeless Biden was and how it effected how they would vote.

[numberthirty]

The motivation in 2016 was the GOP was stealing the Court and this is exactly what would happen. But that wasn't enough motivation?

Ask yourself if it was even enough motivation to run a unity ticket on the Democratic Party side...

[Malvolio]

Ask yourself if it was even enough motivation to run a unity ticket on the Democratic Party side...

Do you really think Hillary Clinton would have won in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio or Pennsylvania if she had picked Bernie Sanders as her running mate?

[numberthirty]

Do you really think Hillary Clinton would have won in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio or Pennsylvania if she had picked Bernie Sanders as her running mate?

What I know for a fact is that she lost them running the show her own way...

So, yeah...

I'm missing where there is any sort of a legitimate argument for that another course of action would not have been a sensible course of action.

(Barring you having some manner of conclusive proof that running a unity ticket with Sanders would have made no actual difference...)

[numberthirty]

Never mind all of the folks that go on and on about how slim the margin was that HRC lost some of those states by...

But, sure...

You would have ran a unity ticket, and it would not have had any chance of closing some of those particularly narrow gaps.

Sounds plausible...

[numberthirty]

(Never mind that you've got to buy into that the person who actually won the Democratic Party primary in some of those states would not have delivered any votes in those states during a general...)

[Kirby101]

Which recent Supreme Court decisions reject federal legislation.

.

The Voting Rights Act for one. And now it looks like they will gut the EPA, set up by Congress.

[Kirby101]

I don't know if Sanders asleep would have been better. I don't know if Sanders would have accepted the VP slot. And neither does anyone else. Though some here are sure how the Democrats can win, just have a candidate that believes exactly keep they do.