All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Wildling]

Nobody will want to admit that their selfishness played a role in getting hundreds of thousands of people killed. They'll try to deny that responsibility for as long as possible. Trump losing will *help* with this, because people will be able to wash their responsibility off onto him. Thatq's just how it goes.

Makes sense to me. Declaring wars/raiding to other countries isn't even conceivably half as horrifying as thinking into that, since at least "them" weren't your neighbors/relatives/same color.

[Mecegirl]

I think Obama was more charismatic than Sanders and promoted himself as an agent of change, but was very fuzzy on the details and became an agent of the status quo instead. in 2008 was glad Obama beat Hillary because he was not part of a Bush or Clinton political dynasty. Being charismatic doesn't always translate into better leadership.

Hillary also had more control over the party machinery in 2016 than in 2008.

Never said anything about leadership. Just the ability to convince people to vote for you. And control over the party machinery or not Hillary still got more of the popular vote in the 2016 primary. So even if you threw out the delegate system in 2016 Hillary still would have won.

[The Overlord]

I think it also needs to be pointed out that Sanders had a heart attack in the middle of the primaries. No one but me has really brought that point up but I think it didn't help the perception that Sanders was a old socialist coot.

Fair enough, but Biden is only one year younger than Sanders, neither are the picture of youth.

Sanders is too old to run again, we need a younger progressive next time.

Never said anything about leadership. Just the ability to convince people to vote for you. And control over the party machinery or not Hillary still got more of the popular vote in the 2016 primary. So even if you threw out the delegate system in 2016 Hillary still would have won.

Maybe so, but that meant jack in the general election when she lost to Trump and we ended up in this hellscape. To me, this Third-wave ideology is proving less effective over time.

[numberthirty]

Mets just took "Thread MVP..." for the week.

[kingaliencracker]

Nobody will want to admit that their selfishness played a role in getting hundreds of thousands of people killed. They'll try to deny that responsibility for as long as possible. Trump losing will *help* with this, because people will be able to wash their responsibility off onto him. Thatq's just how it goes.

I won't harp on this too much here because I don't believe in turning a virus into a political topic the way we did with HIV/AIDS in the 80's. But it's easy to tell people to lock down when tax money is paying your salary and there's no worry of a disruption of your income. But in the 8 months since this pandemic really hit the United States government has given tax payers just $1500. Think about that. In many states that would barely cover a mortgage payment. And then you have this partisan battle that's preventing additional money to people.

Of course you can't have people sitting at home with no money and with their bills running up. So there will also be a natural inclination there to support Trump, who is all about "herd immunity".

[Tendrin]

Again, if there were ANY doubt about Arizona Fox News would have immediately taken it off for Biden and put it in play.

Worry about Nevada. That's going to decide the race.

Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Nevada.

Biden is on track to win all three. In Georgia, Trump's lead is down to 30k votes with a lot of ballots left to count. A majority of those ballots are likely to go to Biden. In Pennsylvania, Trump's lead is less than the number of outstanding ballots coming from democratic strongholds in Pittsburg and Philly. I'm less clear on Nevada's situation, but I think it unlikely they'll swap to Trump. If he wins all three, he'll drub Trump in the electoral college 306 to 232.

[kingaliencracker]

Fair enough, but Biden is only one year younger than Sanders, neither are the picture of youth.

Sanders is too old to run again, we need a younger progressive next time.

No but Biden didn't have a heart attack nor is he as extreme left as Sanders. I also think because he was Obama's VP and Obama was so young there's a perception he's not as old as he really is.

[BeastieRunner]

Couldn't tell by the primary...

No, you could not. A primary is not the same style of election as a national one. I think that is part of why Biden chose Harris over Warren but it is starting to look like they didn't communicate and use it very well. Even if they win, it was a giant wiff.

Her turn out in CA on election days in unmatched in the Senate. In fact, you have to go Mitch to find another that gets that percentage of turnout every time.

The primary is not a single day vote, it's a rolling vote and requires different methods. She played her team ahead and in different areas. That only works if you're able to hold the #1 spot.

If the primary was held on the same day everywhere, I'm sure Biden would've been a distant third place to Warren and Harris.

For that matter, I think same day primaries would've knocked Trump out, too.

If you want to abolish something archaic, get rid of these stupid primaries before the EC.

Primaries are done in a very brokered way and it is beginning to handicap both parties.

[Wildling]

So there will also be a natural inclination there to support Trump, who is all about "herd immunity".

The magical beans parable of the 21st century.

Not saying there hadn't been a magical beans political cartoon mocking Trump back when his pre-pandemic presidency was "better", just saying he magnifying glasses everything worse the longer he stays in office.

[Tendrin]

No but Biden didn't have a heart attack nor is he as extreme left as Sanders. I also think because he was Obama's VP and Obama was so young there's a perception he's not as old as he really is.

Trump's campaign honestly did themselves no favors by hammering Biden's 'mental state' so hard. By portraying him as a drooling incompetent who didn't know where he was, they played themselves for when it was plainly obvious that was fine. They were reduced to claiming he was taking magic pills.

That Trump's campaign could be as badly run as it was and still nearly carry on to win says a lot about the strength of voter suppression, incumbency, and white supremacy in the USA.

[BeastieRunner]

Thank you Mets!

I needed a good laugh.

[Tendrin]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/tru...g-west-report/

On Wednesday, The New York Times published a postmortem of how President Donald Trump’s campaign handled Arizona — which is still counting votes but currently shows a lead for Joe Biden — and outlined the reason why he did not visit the state more frequently.

“With Florida looking red early on Tuesday night, President Trump and his advisers thought they were witnessing a repeat of election night 2016, when a victory in Florida foreshadowed a victory over all,” reported Annie Karni and Maggie Haberman. “That mirage of victory was pierced when Fox News called Arizona for former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. at 11:20 p.m., with just 73 percent of the state’s vote counted.”

LOL.

[kingaliencracker]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/tru...g-west-report/



LOL.

I also heard Trump blamed Fox News for why he lost Arizona.

It was similar to how Hillary lost Wisconsin. She thought it was such a shoe-in she did virtually no campaigning there.

[BeastieRunner]

I just missed the announcement but it sounded like Nevada said they will be done with all ballots 10AM tomorrow.

[kingaliencracker]

It amazes me how many Republicans, and long standing ones to boot, truly dislike Trump. He's not even popular with his own party.