All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Mister Mets]

And yet there are wat too many people that say Cruz and Howley had now way of knowing what was going to happen. now way to know what they were saying would inflame people. or that this was just a planned peaceful protest that got out of hand because of a few bad actors.

It's not really clear how many people knew about the internal warning in the Norfolk office. The chief of capitol police says he didn't get it.

How has that worked out for you the last 10 years. Have you been able to make the Party more or less crazy? Your Party has become the Tea Party. Trump is still your Party leader, with no effort by your Party to do anything about him. 2/3 of the House Republicans backed the election fraud hoax that led to the insurrection, and that was after the riots. The House leadership endorsed it and there is zero accountability in your Party for those that fomented the attack. You are as effective as the "resistance" in the Trump White House. You don't get to endorse the Republican Party and not take responsibility for what they are.

I liked Romney.

It's a shame he lost and Trump won.

In the General Election, I voted for Biden. The general election loss made Trump the second President in over a century to fail to keep the White House for more than a term for his party.

One question is what would you prefer five million center-right voters do? Would you rather they stay in the Republican party but vote for Democrats/ third party if Republicans nominate someone lousy? Or would you prefer they become a voting bloc in Democratic primaries?

[PwrdOn]

It's not really clear how many people knew about the internal warning in the Norfolk office. The chief of capitol police says he didn't get it.

I liked Romney.

It's a shame he lost and Trump won.

In the General Election, I voted for Biden. The general election loss made Trump the second President in over a century to fail to keep the White House for more than a term for his party.

One question is what would you prefer five million center-right voters do? Would you rather they stay in the Republican party but vote for Democrats/ third party if Republicans nominate someone lousy? Or would you prefer they become a voting bloc in Democratic primaries?

Except we've seen this movie before, a small number of "sane center-right" voters claim to be outraged by their party's direction and the Democrats bend over backwards to appeal to them, usually going out of their way to **** on the left wing of their own party as crazy socialist radicals, only to see them all vote Republican anyway when election day rolls around. So as they say in Texas, fool me once you can't get fooled again! All "moderate" Republicans can feel free to go down with the sinking ship, don't expect the Democrats to pick you up this time.

[Kirby101]

It's not really clear how many people knew about the internal warning in the Norfolk office. The chief of capitol police says he didn't get it.

I liked Romney.

It's a shame he lost and Trump won.

In the General Election, I voted for Biden. The general election loss made Trump the second President in over a century to fail to keep the White House for more than a term for his party.

One question is what would you prefer five million center-right voters do? Would you rather they stay in the Republican party but vote for Democrats/ third party if Republicans nominate someone lousy? Or would you prefer they become a voting bloc in Democratic primaries?

It's not just Trump the majority of your elected officials sided with the insurrectionist and tried to overturn the election. What should you do, that is between you and your conscience. You can continue to support a Party that gives safe harbor to treason, wantonly suppresses democracy and is in thrall the the super rich, or find another way.

[worstblogever]

It's not just Trump the majority of your elected officials sided with the insurrectionist and tried to overturn the election. What should you do, that is between you and your conscience. You can continue to support a Party that gives safe harbor to treason, wantonly suppresses democracy and is in thrall the the super rich, or find another way.

Jim Jordan being forced to admit Biden won, but then immediately starting JAQing off in an exchange with Rep. McGovern today shows that the Republican Party still isn't ready to stop being seditious ***holes.

Like, the dominoes have started to fall with apparently McConnell & Cheney, but some of these morons drank enough MAGA Kool-Aid to keep at it all the way to the end.

[Mister Mets]

Except we've seen this movie before, a small number of "sane center-right" voters claim to be outraged by their party's direction and the Democrats bend over backwards to appeal to them, usually going out of their way to **** on the left wing of their own party as crazy socialist radicals, only to see them all vote Republican anyway when election day rolls around. So as they say in Texas, fool me once you can't get fooled again! All "moderate" Republicans can feel free to go down with the sinking ship, don't expect the Democrats to pick you up this time.

There are plenty of center-right voters who didn't go for Trump.

Gary Johnson got 4.5 million votes in 2016, more than triple what he got in 2012.

Romney-Clinton voters (a separate group) helped swing elections for Democrats.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...clinton-215211

There is an argument that it's better for Democrats electorally to have more conservatives voting in primaries. It seems pretty clear that Warren or Sanders would have lost the 2020 election, so support for them in the primaries was essentially support for a second Trump term.

With McConnell publicly saying he supports Impeachment, that has given cover to many Republicans in both houses.

Has McConnell said it publicly?

Cheney has said it publicly.

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-i...l-by-a-preside

"Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough," her statement reads. "The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing."

The No. 3 Republican in the House added: "None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

[Revolutionary_Jack]

There is an argument that it's better for Democrats electorally to have more conservatives voting in primaries.

There is a better argument for conservatives voting for better candidates in their own primaries rather than fantasize about sabotaging the Democrat Primaries.

There is a better argument for conservatives to search whatever is left of their metaphorical soul.

There are always better arguments.

It seems pretty clear that Warren or Sanders would have lost the 2020 election,

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...so support for them in the primaries was essentially support for a second Trump term.

How? Biden's actual platform after the primaries, was a good deal further to the left than at the primary level. Bernie Sanders' supporters and others campaigned heavily in Arizona and others, helping in part to flip the state.

Remember ultimately the Democrats won by being Democrats, not moving to the center.

[Steel Inquisitor]

There is a better argument for conservatives voting for better candidates in their own primaries rather than fantasize about sabotaging the Democrat Primaries.

There is a better argument for conservatives to search whatever is left of their metaphorical soul.

There are always better arguments.

Agreed.

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I'm doubtful Warren could have done what Biden did and I say that as a Warren supporter. The black voting bloc were right to boost Biden, they knew he had what it takes to win '20. Even by '20 Bernie had managed to ignore the south once again, and ignored crucial moments to get the black voting bloc on board by evading the anniversary of Bloody Sunday to go to Michigan and then he signal boosted Castro multiple times rather than admit he f**ed up. Bernie would have been another Corbyn.

How? Biden's actual platform after the primaries, was a good deal further to the left than at the primary level. Bernie Sanders' supporters and others campaigned heavily in Arizona and others, helping in part to flip the state.

Bernie also continued the primaries when he lost on Super Tuesday, has it been Warren it would been months until we finally got a concussion from him that he lost. Of all the primary challengers he was the last to concede to Biden when everyone knew it was over. He didn't learn anything from '16.

[Amadeus Arkham]

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Bernie would have been another Corbyn.

Sanders is far more popular and well liked in America than Corbyn in the UK for one thing, and the entire issue with Corbyn in the UK (i.e. he's genuinely anti-imperialist in a country that still largely thinks Imperialism is something to see as a "positive idea gone bad" rather than "bad from the start") isn't there at all with him. The whole issue of making Corbyn an anti-semite because he's critical of Israel would never have worked with someone like Bernie.

People need to stop seeing the UK and England as a model for US politics. I know in 2016 people thought First Brexit than Trump, ergo UK is a barometer for USA...but that's correlation, not causation. Bernie Sanders and AOC and the American Left isn't Corbyn.

Anyway, the primary performance is irrelevant. Had Sanders or Warren made it to the general election, I don't think you can rule them out from winning.

Remember per Allan Lichtman's Keys to the White House, an election is a referendum on the Incumbent and the Incumbent's party, so the challenger's campaign matters little except for "Challenger charisma" and Bernie is more charismatic than Biden, so he'd get one key more than Biden in that slot. Warren probably not. Since she's too much of a wonk to work on the campaign and while she does great in showpiece debates (like destroying Bloomberg's political future), she wasn't able to articulate that to her base.

[babyblob]

I liked Romney.

It's a shame he lost and Trump won.

It would be great if this would be a chance for Rommney to make a power play and take control of the party.

[Tami]

There are plenty of center-right voters who didn't go for Trump.

Gary Johnson got 4.5 million votes in 2016, more than triple what he got in 2012.

Romney-Clinton voters (a separate group) helped swing elections for Democrats.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...clinton-215211

There is an argument that it's better for Democrats electorally to have more conservatives voting in primaries. It seems pretty clear that Warren or Sanders would have lost the 2020 election, so support for them in the primaries was essentially support for a second Trump term.

Has McConnell said it publicly?

Cheney has said it publicly.

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-i...l-by-a-preside

McConnell's definition of saying something, outside of the Senate, publicly is allowing it to leak out. This is about as good as it gets for Mitch McConnell.

[Amadeus Arkham]

Arizona Reps. Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar implicated by activist in Capitol insurrection

[Revolutionary_Jack]

It would be great if this would be a chance for Rommney to make a power play and take control of the party.

Romney doesn't really have that party-building sensibility. Remember when he got the nomination in 2012, he wasn't entirely popular or liked inside his party because of him being a Mormon (no seriously a light level of anti-Mormon discrimination exists in the GOP), being at the outset a more moderate figure (a former GOP governor of a blue state), and so on.

Romney can't even control his own family. His own niece Ronna McDaniel is a loyal Trump-follower and she got elected as head of the RNC even after a historic defeat, which means the GOP will continue on a loser's spiral for some time, until she makes a dramatic break of some sort.

It's a mistake to think of the GOP as this all powerful party. It's easy to think of them that way but the truth is if the GOP were that powerful they'd never have had Trump as candidate to begin with.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

He hates Trump so much that he kissed his ass and did his Bidding. he kind of reminds me of The Toad from early Xmen in the 60's the way he just shamelessly fawns of magneto. Mitch has for four years backed this man and his agenda. Even after the election he still paid lip service. And blocked a stimulus so he could set up an election fraud committee.

Mitch does not hate Trump because Trump is human garbage. he hates Trump because he srees the way the winds are blowing and knows that he has to say something. if Trump had succeeded on the 6th Mitch would still be kissing his ass.

**** you Mitch and **** you GOP!

Moscow Mitch hates Trump because his shenanigans cost the GOP Georgia and the Senate. Donald had been McConnell’s useful idiot....until last Wednesday when the **** hit the fan at the Capitol.

[Wildling]

It would be great if this would be a chance for Rommney to make a power play and take control of the party.

Yeah better him than seditionists Cruz (also a former creepy mime) and Hawley (who looks so punchable you'd think he was already related to Trump).