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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    The solution to that is to make it mandatory that everyone contribute to public education whether they are using it or not. So if you really want little Johnny to be enrolled in some elite academy safely sequestered from all those scary black and brown kids, you can do that, but you'll still have to pay the same taxes as everyone else. I'm sure this will cause an uproar among the usual miscreants though.
    I hear you. I'm just saying it's not likely to work. At least not until and unless progressives dominate all three branches.

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    It is funny how conservatives refuse to own up to what 40 years of tax cuts for the rich have done to this country. No matter how they fail, the solution is always more tax cuts.
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    Trump justy came to the Stage. I wonder what Shit will come out of his mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Trump justy came to the Stage. I wonder what Shit will come out of his mouth.
    He won the election and how bad Biden is.

    Does anyone remember the media covering Obama's speeches after he left office, because you know, liberal media and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    For one thing, you have to stop relying on property taxes to fund schools and start funding them on the state or even federal level, so that wealthy residents can't just congregrate in gerrymandered school districts and monopolize all the resources for their own kids while forcing poor districts to subsist on crumbs. As for teachers' salaries, the best way to go about this is to create some civilian version of the GI Bill, where you go teach high school in some inner city district for a few years in exchange for the government wiping your student loan debt, or something like that. The issue with teaching is not just that the pay sucks, but also that it's universally seen as kind of a hopeless, dead end career. Giving talented graduates an incentive to teach for a few years, without eliminating the possibility of that lucrative future career on Wall Street or wherever, might help to fill that gap.
    A problem with this approach is that doing the equivalent of expanding the likes of Teach For America and Teaching Fellows is mainly going to fill the teaching profession with people who have no experience and limited training. Teaching is a weird profession where the responsibilities are the same for someone in their first year as someone in their fifteenth, even if it's understood that experienced teachers are better.

    https://scholars.org/contribution/wh...heir%20careers.

    Perhaps with this approach, some of the people expecting to go into teaching temporarily will find that they like it and stick to it, but it does also imply that an outsider who is just starting out as a teacher will fill the role just as well as someone who has been doing it for a while, and gotten the right certification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    He won the election and how bad Biden is.

    Does anyone remember the media covering Obama's speeches after he left office, because you know, liberal media and all.
    Well he said Biden is Anti Job, Anti Borders, Anti Science, Anti Woman, Anti Family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    That's fine by me, there's no question that we have more than enough resources for the task at hand, but that the burden needs to be more shared more evenly. This also has the added side benefit of avoiding those housing bubbles that pop up in wealthy school districts, where high property values lead to well funded schools which attracts more buyers which inflates the prices even more.
    There's an idea that the majority of education spending is local spending from property taxes and the like, but it is really messy and variable. On average, state sources provide more funding than local sources (However, that doesn't apply to every state.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Then you're shifting the burden from the local taxes to either state or federal taxes.

    Depends on the "business owner". Not all businesses are the same; some might be small, individual seasonal businesses, like an ice cream stand in a beach community that makes most of its money between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

    Yes, a McDonald's or a Walmart should probably be paying at least $15 per an hour to workers, but those are companies making major profits (unless maybe the McDonald's is just a single, licensed franchise location).
    It's a fair point that larger companies tend to have more profit margins and steady income streams, so that many of these regulations will make it difficult for small business owners who often operate at razor-thin profits or even at a loss.

    There is a flipside that many small business-owners also use it as an excuse to avoid paying people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    That could possibly open up new positions for the unemployed.
    There are all sorts of consequences to increasing the minimum wage. It is perfectly reasonable to conclude that tradeoffs are worthwhile, but this should be kept in mind.

    Some people will work less, now that their per-hour wages were increased.
    You will have people entering the workforce who weren't interested in it before (IE- retired people who weren't willing to work as cashiers for eleven dollars an hour but may for fifteen dollars an hour.) They'll replace some people who currently have jobs.
    Some people will leave the workforce, as childcare and eldercare become more expensive.
    Some salaries will increase, to reflect that a job in some demand requires more training than the entry-level jobs that would now pay a higher minimum wage.

    Some people will lose their jobs. Employers will find alternatives to keeping the same number of employees on staff. We'll see more things like self-check-out counters, or double-length buses. A higher minimum wage can also attract employees who are more productive, who may be a better deal for an employer who learns that it's better to pay two above-average cashiers fifteen dollars an hour than three average cashiers eleven dollars an hour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    He won the election and how bad Biden is.

    Does anyone remember the media covering Obama's speeches after he left office, because you know, liberal media and all.
    There are some distinctions.

    Obama made choices to have a low profile for much of the Trump administration.
    He had served two terms as President, so there was no possibility that he could run again.
    Someone who doesn't care about the politics could care about what's best for ratings, and covering Trump may be good for ratings.
    Someone who prefers the Democratic party win future elections may conclude that it's better for the media to give an increased platform to a deeply flawed former officeholder with an approval rating below 40 percent. It comes down to whether you think the media covering Trump's speech makes it more likely that Republicans will take back Congress in 2022, or the White House in 2024.
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    God, this Trump CPAC speech sucks. It’s no surprise but yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus Arkham View Post
    God, this Trump CPAC speech sucks. It’s no surprised but yikes.
    I'm not watching, but I hope the Republicans marry their party to him forever. It's good for the country for them to have an albatross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    A problem with this approach is that doing the equivalent of expanding the likes of Teach For America and Teaching Fellows is mainly going to fill the teaching profession with people who have no experience and limited training. Teaching is a weird profession where the responsibilities are the same for someone in their first year as someone in their fifteenth, even if it's understood that experienced teachers are better.

    https://scholars.org/contribution/wh...heir%20careers.

    Perhaps with this approach, some of the people expecting to go into teaching temporarily will find that they like it and stick to it, but it does also imply that an outsider who is just starting out as a teacher will fill the role just as well as someone who has been doing it for a while, and gotten the right certification.
    I've actually know people who have gone through Teach for America intending just to do it while figuring out their next step, and actually came to really love the kids and decided to stick with teaching as a career. And honestly, speaking from personal experience, teaching certifications don't matter nearly as much as your ability to connect with your students and understand what they need and what you can do to help them develop, and that's something you can only really learn on the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Well he said Biden is Anti Job, Anti Borders, Anti Science, Anti Woman, Anti Family.
    Let's break this down. Anti-job? I think most unions would disagree with that. Anti-borders? Nah, just anti-Wall. Anti-science? This coming from the guy who refused to wear a mask until he literally had no choice? Anti-Woman? Let's ask Trump's two ex-wives who's anti-woman. Anti-family? Why don't we ask Biden and Trump each the same question: What are all of your children's names? and see which one answers correctly in the shortest period of time. I have a feeling that a full minute after Biden has given all of his kids' names, Trump would be going, "Ivanka, Don Jr., then there's um, I said Ivanka already, right?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    I'm not watching, but I hope the Republicans marry their party to him forever. It's good for the country for them to have an albatross.
    I'm not so sure. Power doesn't accrue to population for us. Enthralling Rural America and some of The Rust Belt might guarantee the sane among us have to stand around incredulously being frustrated.

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    How many years will it take before Trump is pretty much forgotten, at least as much as most other past Presidents? Any hope for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    How many years will it take before Trump is pretty much forgotten, at least as much as most other past Presidents? Any hope for that?
    There's no way anyone will ever forget about Trump, and it's good that we don't, because he is a stark reminder of all the serious problems this country still has and won't go away until we get serious about addressing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Well he said Biden is Anti Job, Anti Borders, Anti Science, Anti Woman, Anti Family.
    What about Anti-fa?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    How many years will it take before Trump is pretty much forgotten, at least as much as most other past Presidents? Any hope for that?
    Probably in you dreams (unfortunately).

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