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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The point in your article was that double-counting or triple-counting expenses gets the wrong results.

    As for what we should want, we should want accuracy regardless of whether results fit ideological priors.
    Double counting doesn't get you from 8% to 80%, it's pretty obvious that the AIER article was just as concerned with fitting ideological priors as the original study, and likely far more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Yeah I mean I wouldn't trust anything put out by AIER, they're another one of those right wing hack organizations that hides behind a distinguished sounding name, pushing propaganda disguised as research.
    Yes, I agree.

    We're getting well past my intention of posting that research though (which was to showcase even the most conservative impact of slave-grown cotton was bigger than the gold rushes).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The point in your article was that double-counting or triple-counting expenses gets the wrong results.

    As for what we should want, we should want accuracy regardless of whether results fit ideological priors.
    Great!

    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Double counting doesn't get you from 8% to 80%, it's pretty obvious that the AIER article was just as concerned with fitting ideological priors as the original study, and likely far more so.
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Oh, my lord. This would be absurdity on steroids if it were to come to pass....

    Mike Pence Could Become Donald Trump's Nemesis in 2024
    Yah 2024 might be the mother of all election train wrecks. Pence was favored by some of the Christian conservatives who voted for Trump that I know who were secretly (or not so secretly) hoping Trump would get removed for one reason or another, so Pence could be president instead. But Pence seems like a no way to me, I just can't see him getting anywhere close to being the GOP candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Yah 2024 might be the mother of all election train wrecks. Pence was favored by some of the Christian conservatives who voted for Trump that I know who were secretly (or not so secretly) hoping Trump would get removed for one reason or another, so Pence could be president instead. But Pence seems like a no way to me, I just can't see him getting anywhere close to being the GOP candidate.
    Two or three election cycles ago, Pence would've been a decent choice for what was then the GOP. But, thanks to Trump, today's right wingers wants a candidate who brings the mouth foaming crazy like The Former Guy had done, and Mikey most definitely AIN'T that. On top of that, how many Republican voters, especially those who wear MAGA hats will remember Pence wouldn't screw up the election results back in January like Trump wanted him to? Well, if Pence runs, you can expect Trump to remind everyone of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Oh, my lord. This would be absurdity on steroids if it were to come to pass....

    Mike Pence Could Become Donald Trump's Nemesis in 2024
    It would remind me of something...

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    There’s some interesting allegations in today’s Daily Telegraph about some of the US top military.

    One is that Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has written that General Milley told some of his staff not to obey orders from the Trump Whitehouse unless the general cleared them himself. And more damming still the general contacted Chinese military staff and assured them he would warn them if Trump gave certain orders.

    The Telegraph also claimed Trump was deliberately given false info on events on Afghanistan…to deliberately stall on troop withdrawals there, in the hope that when Joe B came in, he could be persuaded to abort withdrawal.

    Whatever one thinks about Trump…that adds up to treachery if the allegations are true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    There’s some interesting allegations in today’s Daily Telegraph about some of the US top military.

    One is that Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has written that General Milley told some of his staff not to obey orders from the Trump Whitehouse unless the general cleared them himself. And more damming still the general contacted Chinese military staff and assured them he would warn them if Trump gave certain orders.

    The Telegraph also claimed Trump was deliberately given false info on events on Afghanistan…to deliberately stall on troop withdrawals there, in the hope that when Joe B came in, he could be persuaded to abort withdrawal.

    Whatever one thinks about Trump…that adds up to treachery if the allegations are true.
    It's actually the Military stopping an incredibly deranged and dangerous imbecile from starting WWIII.
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    On this date in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, as well as 2020, that "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" published profiles of U.S. Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, who as a member of the U.S. House, voted against equal pay for women multiple times, insisting that “women don’t want it”. She’s also a co-sponsor of the “Birther Bill”, denies that Mitt Romney ever passed a healthcare program in Massachusetts, and gave an infamous interview where she falsely claimed that the Affordable Care Act (which she also was a part of the “lie of the year” at Polifiact, predicting it would lead to death panels) was a violation of HIPAA, and when asked repeatedly to explain how that’s even possible, she just kept repeating the same falsehood robotically without actually providing any logical answer. She was also a big proponent of the 2013 Government Shutdown, and on the day it began, went on FOX and Friends to optimistically predict that it would actually teach ordinary Americans about all the “big government” ideas that were being defunded that they can do without (which the opposite actually happened over the 16 day stretch). Our update on Blackburn continued covering her hyper-conservative voting record, as well as the fact that she spoke at the South Carolina Freedom Summit and claimed Christians were a persecuted minority in the United States. When reporters followed up on her remarks and asked her to name an example of such persecution, she failed to be able to cite a single one. Marsha Blackburn was also particularly awful during the GOP's witch hunt after the Center for Medical Progress released their deceitful smear of Planned Parenthood, insisting that after all investigations had been concluded that Planned Parenthood had still been caught "selling baby body parts", and during the paranoia around the affair, attempted to use the House Intelligence Committee's investigation as a means to demand a complete list of every medical students, residents, or other medical personnel around the country who have ever participated in an abortion, because there's no way that such a thing would enable domestic terrorists in the radical anti-choice movement to assassinate those people (when they already have done so).

    Through 2017, continued to make the rounds on cable news and with the media, where she can do things like insinuate that James Comey is a liar to help provide cover for Donald Trump while he’s investigated for accepting help from the Russians to get elected in exchange for dropping sanctions against them, or when she can be one of the few politicians who actually defended Donald Trump’s spur of the moment decision to ban transgendered soldiers from the military before he ever consulted the Pentagon about what kind of impact that might have. Make no mistake, she’s “all-in” on the Trump administration, and with any luck, she might get swept away with it at some point. Maybe when she was caught in the middle of the NRA/Russia connection, someone should have thrown a flag.

    After she started catching some serious hell at her town halls in 2017, where she’s been raucously booed and openly been accused of lying, she responded to that treatment by going on CNN a week later to claim that the people who booed her weren’t actually from her district. The usually passive Wolf Blitzer fact-checked her on that, pointing out that people had to show ID to prove they were from her district to get into the building in the first place.

    Marsha Blackburn takes advantage of how red of a state Tennessee is, winning election to ther U.S. Senate to replace the retiring Sen. Bob Corker in 2018 with 55% of the vote. While of late, the majority of our CSGOPOTD updates on U.S. Senators note that they’re keeping their mouths shut, and are trying to just discreetly rubber-stamp whatever nominees the Trump administration puts in front of them, regardless of how terrible of people they are, or how wildly unqualified they are for the job (which make no mistake, Marsha Blackburn has begun doing that as a Senator)…

    We’re also going to note that Marsha Blackburn unilaterally blacked a bill in the Senate that would have required any presidential campaign that receives offers of assistance from an agent of a foreign government to report it to the FBI, opening the door for Russia to assist the 2020 Trump campaign the way they did in 2016. (And at least a dozen GOP Congressional candidates also accepted help from Russian hackers, per the Mueller report). his should come as little surprise, though, because Blackburn knows exactly how deep Trump is in it with Russia… after all, she was on the Trump transition team. She deemed the bill, submitted by Mark Warner, as “over-broad” and that “it should be done in a bipartisan way” even though outside of Blackburn, it had unanimous support. And that Warner offered to allow her to suggest how to amend it to make it not “over-broad” or “more bipartisan”, however the hell she assumes to interpret those words.

    For all the effort she put towards doing that, she’s been mostly twiddling her thumbs to do anything to help the country survive the economic impact of the coronavirus since passing the original stimulus bill back in March. She saves all of her energy for lashing out at the media for daring to fact-check her habitually lying ass, like the did after her fib-filled speech at the 2020 RNC.




    And the country will be stuck with Marsha Blackburn in the Senate until 2024. Just… great. Great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    There’s some interesting allegations in today’s Daily Telegraph about some of the US top military.

    One is that Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has written that General Milley told some of his staff not to obey orders from the Trump Whitehouse unless the general cleared them himself. And more damming still the general contacted Chinese military staff and assured them he would warn them if Trump gave certain orders.

    The Telegraph also claimed Trump was deliberately given false info on events on Afghanistan…to deliberately stall on troop withdrawals there, in the hope that when Joe B came in, he could be persuaded to abort withdrawal.

    Whatever one thinks about Trump…that adds up to treachery if the allegations are true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    It's actually the Military stopping an incredibly deranged and dangerous imbecile from starting WWIII.
    There's a book out about that whole thing.

    Sounds like a flippin' Tom Clancy novel to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Oh, my lord. This would be absurdity on steroids if it were to come to pass....

    Mike Pence Could Become Donald Trump's Nemesis in 2024
    Doesn't DeathSantis want that job? Florida Man vs Florida Man sounds like a better movie and more representative of the current death cult than one with Spineless Mikey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    There’s some interesting allegations in today’s Daily Telegraph about some of the US top military.

    One is that Bob Woodward of Watergate fame has written that General Milley told some of his staff not to obey orders from the Trump Whitehouse unless the general cleared them himself. And more damming still the general contacted Chinese military staff and assured them he would warn them if Trump gave certain orders.

    The Telegraph also claimed Trump was deliberately given false info on events on Afghanistan…to deliberately stall on troop withdrawals there, in the hope that when Joe B came in, he could be persuaded to abort withdrawal.

    Whatever one thinks about Trump…that adds up to treachery if the allegations are true.
    The same thing happened near the end of Nixon's Presidency. There was fear that Nixon was losing it and might start a nuclear war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    It's actually the Military stopping an incredibly deranged and dangerous imbecile from starting WWIII.
    If anything, the Biden administration has been beating the war drums against China far louder than Trump did. With Trump you get the sense that he had a certain admiration for Xi and valued their personal relationship, and was just pandering to his base with the hawkish rhetoric. But Biden and his people seem to genuinely believe that they are making the world safe for democracy by continuing to prod the Chinese on a whole host of issues. On the flipside, while the Chinese officials seemed to have a degree of respect or fear of Trump's unpredictability, they clearly have nothing but utter contempt for Biden and have gone out of their way to snub him at every turn. So in that kind of an environment, it's really only a matter of time until someone lets their pride get the better of them and does something rash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Yah 2024 might be the mother of all election train wrecks. Pence was favored by some of the Christian conservatives who voted for Trump that I know who were secretly (or not so secretly) hoping Trump would get removed for one reason or another, so Pence could be president instead. But Pence seems like a no way to me, I just can't see him getting anywhere close to being the GOP candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Yes, I agree.

    We're getting well past my intention of posting that research though (which was to showcase even the most conservative impact of slave-grown cotton was bigger than the gold rushes).

    .
    Which you fail to do...

    The United States provided 45 percent of the world's gold production between 1851 and 1855. The nation was thus able to export gold, which helped offset the country's negative balance of payments in the 1850s. A negative balance caused by cotton

    still failing to address this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    And it is purely an invention of the right wing (far or otherwise) in this country that those further on the left are not only Communist, but no different than Stalinist.
    So there really isn't a need to bring up something the far left believe as an example of Communist.

    Are there Communist in the far left? Sure. Is the far left the same as Communists? No.
    Did someone say something about denial. Did Americans sign up to the Stalin party and carry cards that said so or French Students embrace Mao only? nope they were all part of Socialism.
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