All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Tami]

Not to mention that Democrats risk alienating much of their own base when they do so.

Not much, only a small to moderate faction. Most Dems that I know care more about getting the job done than how it is done (within reason of course).

[CaptainEurope]

Do you think Republicans underperformed because they talked too much about inflation or dysfunction in the cities? Election results seem to suggest that candidate quality (specifically candidates who were part of the "stop the steal" movement) was the biggest factor.

A surprising number of voters who said that inflation and energy were their most important issues for them still voted for Democrats. I think more and more people are catching up to the fact that the Democrats are the adults in the room, and when there is a crisis, you don't want the GOP in charge. Decades of publicly attempting to "break government" have consequences.

Inflation-Weary US Voters Reject Republican Case to Blame Biden

[ed2962]

Was watching Meet The Press a little earlier and they mentioned Trump having dinner with Ye and white nationalist Nick Fuentes. I thought it interesting that they wouldn't say Nick's name but they did show a picture of him...

[Gray Lensman]

A surprising number of voters who said that inflation and energy were their most important issues for them still voted for Democrats. I think more and more people are catching up to the fact that the Democrats are the adults in the room, and when there is a crisis, you don't want the GOP in charge. Decades of publicly attempting to "break government" have consequences.

Inflation-Weary US Voters Reject Republican Case to Blame Biden

One can simply look up a chart for budget deficits by PotUS to expose the lie Republicans tell about that one. The peaks are republican presidential the valleys are democratic ones.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Was watching Meet The Press a little earlier and they mentioned Trump having dinner with Ye and white nationalist Nick Fuentes. I thought it interesting that they wouldn't say Nick's name but they did show a picture of him...

One of his advisors seemed to brag the meeting up with Nick Fuentes until his past came up and then Trump was like... "I didn't know who he was , he just showed up with Kanye !"


lol.

[Tendrin]

A surprising number of voters who said that inflation and energy were their most important issues for them still voted for Democrats. I think more and more people are catching up to the fact that the Democrats are the adults in the room, and when there is a crisis, you don't want the GOP in charge. Decades of publicly attempting to "break government" have consequences.

Inflation-Weary US Voters Reject Republican Case to Blame Biden

Also, things like this sure do not help them:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/sta...kidBvELL0olcYQ

[WestPhillyPunisher]

One of his advisors seemed to brag the meeting up with Nick Fuentes until his past came up and then Trump was like... "I didn't know who he was , he just showed up with Kanye !"


lol.

I for one don’t understand why Trump tried to distance himself from Fuentes. I mean, he spent practically his entire term courting Nazis and white supremacists. Sucking up to that guy would earn him brownie points with his base.

Also, things like this sure do not help them:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/sta...kidBvELL0olcYQ

*facepalm* Walker DOES realize the runoff IS underway, and voters born after 1990 are participating, doesn’t he? To quote esteemed Bugs Bunny, wotta maroon!

[Tendrin]

I for one don’t understand why Trump tried to distance himself from Fuentes. I mean, he spent practically his entire term courting Nazis and white supremacists. Sucking up to that guy would earn him brownie points with his base.



*facepalm* Walker DOES realize the runoff IS underway, and voters born after 1990 are participating, doesn’t he? To quote esteemed Bugs Bunny, wotta maroon!

Conservatives haven't been able to articulate a positive vision for young people for decades, instead allowing themselves to become the party of crippling college debt, mass shootings, and climate denial and delay.and that's before we talk about lgbtq bigotry and racism.

The exit polls on young peoples votes in this year was just brutal for the gop so naturally the only answer they can proffer to the problem is stop them from voting at all

[Jack Dracula]

It's much better for Fox News to ramble about whatever fake crisis of the moment they're inventing to fearmonger about, because it distracts from the fact that their party has no ideas that aren't a white nationalist wish list, and have delivered on absolutely nothing for the American people other than "tax breaks for billionaires" in the past 20 years. Seriously, zero substantial legislative achievements, other than preventing several that would have substantially aided the working class.

Rather than shake a set of shiny keys like you could to entertain a baby, they do the same thing with a culture war tale of outrage to keep the boomers entertained. Because, as they say when they get taken to court for libel, they're not news, they're "entertainment". That's the product.

The problem for them with actually trying to help the working class or people living in poverty is to do it they'd have to consistently work with Democrats to accomplish it. They've spent the last couple of decades vilifying Democrats and reinforcing the impression in their base that Democratic initiatives are at best misinformed and at worst, socialism. Now, they've basically painted themselves into that corner and can only double down on their rhetoric and obstruct progress in order to blame Democrats for society's problems. If any of them try to step out of that corner they're torn down by right-wing media as "RINOs" or sidelined by their own party leadership.
The minute their strategy became "party over country" and right-wing media bought into it, we were all screwed.

[Malvolio]

It's telling that your view of what Democrats prioritize doesn't include identifying and capturing the perpetrators. This is one reason it's easy to knock Democrats as prioritizing criminals over victims and law enforcement. They should certainly pay attention to robberies in minority communities where there's no ethnic bias against the victim.

It's possible to meet in the middle. Democrats don't need every Republican on their side to show that major legislation has widespread support. They could do their best to persuade and show that their views are best.

We can also do our best to find common ground, such as enforcing laws that exist without sending people back to jail for paperwork mistakes, or striving to make sure that we don't support a permission support a permission structure for crime.



Do you think Republicans underperformed because they talked too much about inflation or dysfunction in the cities? Election results seem to suggest that candidate quality (specifically candidates who were part of the "stop the steal" movement) was the biggest factor.

It wasn't that they talked about inflation or dysfunction in the cities too much. It's that those who voted for Democrats recognized that the Republicans' rhetoric was mostly bullshit. They have no intention of doing anything about inflation or dysfunction in the cities. They just want to reserve the right to continue blaming Democrats for those problems.

[Tami]

Herschel Walker’s Black supporters say their votes are about Senate control and conservative values

Still, these six Black Republicans seem unmoved, even if Black voters overall appear to present more of an uphill challenge.

Kaaryn Burton Walker — no relation to the candidate — also said she’s willing to look past Walker’s controversies because his win would serve a higher political purpose: to get more Republicans in the Senate.

“At this point, we just have to roll with it,” said Burton Walker, an Atlanta-area resident who works as a GOP political consultant. “You have to prioritize at this point. I’m not saying Herschel did this or that. … It’s just messy. And it doesn’t matter. It’s not about me, as a Black conservative, and who I support. And because I stick by Herschel does not mean I absolve him of anything he is alleged to have done. It’s not about Herschel. It’s a bigger picture.”

Wynter, a native of New York City who lives in Atlanta, said he “couldn’t care less about the things that have plagued” Walker’s campaign. “We want a Republican-controlled Senate,” he said, adding that the 2022 midterms for him are not “a nuanced argument about candidates and policies and qualifications. This is party politics.”

He joked that he would cast his vote while “holding my nose … and will probably close my eyes, too. But he’s getting my vote.”

Chaka Cox, 50, a lifelong Republican who works as a medical supply company supervisor and barbershop owner, was equally adamant about his support of Walker.

“I’m not concerned about that at all,” he said, adding that the controversies around Walker “haven’t been proven. It’s about mudslinging, and some of them are pretty vicious attacks.”

He said he believes the choice for Georgia Senate comes down to “which candidate is going to be in the best interest of Georgian people and, in a bigger sense, the nation.” For Cox, who was born and raised in Atlanta, that choice was easy. “I know Herschel Walker votes more conservative. And that’s the main thing I’m looking at.”

“I don’t understand a pro-choice pastor,” Amanda McGee, an Atlanta realtor and a former Republican National Committee worker, said of Warnock. “What a weird dichotomy for a pastor.”

She said Warnock should be focused on “encouraging Black young men and women to get married before having children they can’t afford.”

Atlanta resident Arlene Charles, a 75-year-old Walker supporter who grew up in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, said she’s been voting Republican since 2008. She said her born-again values would not allow her to vote for Barack Obama.

“I’m a Christian and I didn’t vote for Obama because of Christian values,” she said. “There are a lot of Blacks that are Republicans because they’ve learned that every election cycle, the Democrats come out and they use that word ‘racism,’ which is not our problem in this country. We, Black people, have an opportunity to be whatever it is that we want to be. When I was growing up, most of the doctors and the lawyers were all white people. But that’s not the case now.”v

[CaptainEurope]

Also, things like this sure do not help them:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/sta...kidBvELL0olcYQ

What the fork?

[4saken1]

Not much, only a small to moderate faction. Most Dems that I know care more about getting the job done than how it is done (within reason of course).

Unfortunately the way our electoral system works it often only takes a small percent in a few key states to make a huge difference.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Herschel Walker’s Black supporters say their votes are about Senate control and conservative values

About those folks, delusional at best, clueless at worst. As a black man, I would NEVER support a party that embraces greed, racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia and the destruction of the middle class while circling the wagons behind a former president who singlehandedly broke most of the Ten Commandments. If that’s their idea of conservative ideals, I live without that ****.

[lilyrose]

A surprising number of voters who said that inflation and energy were their most important issues for them still voted for Democrats. I think more and more people are catching up to the fact that the Democrats are the adults in the room, and when there is a crisis, you don't want the GOP in charge. Decades of publicly attempting to "break government" have consequences.

Inflation-Weary US Voters Reject Republican Case to Blame Biden

For a while now I've been wondering if there was balancing out at all of an economy where inflation is a problem, but unemployment is not rising, and jobs are in fact still being gained. Polls indicated voters though the economy was bad overall but weren't willing to go to the alternative in order the punish the party in power, suggesting they don't necessarily blame Democrats for inflation, or at least understand Republicans won't do anything to fix it. If we were in a recession and had bad inflation too, like in the 1970's, it probably would have been different.