So post your issue if it concerns you so much.
And then address the subtance of the post without the "issue" -- which was removed long ago.
Let's see if you can put as much energy into addressing white nationlism as you do criticizing an imbed that you disagree with.
Edit: He did not "cement" anything -- he was one element of a multi-line post.
You are really stretching to find a way to argue here -- and again you show that "minorities" only matter to you if you can use them against others in an argument.
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That's not what I meant and you know it. You also know damn well that's not the only kind of gender-affirming care your party are denying to people who need it.
Grow a spine. Fight, ffs. Stop offering a hand to people they know damn well are just going to slap it away. Stop trying to appease the people who are never going to vote for them, and give people who want a better society for everyone something to vote FOR. The Republicans have declared war on everyone who's not them. Democrats need to realize that, and act accordingly.
We know they're not going to change. That's why they have to be thoroughly defeated. Fought, and beaten, at every level, from local school board to President Of The United States. Stomped. Into. The mud.
Y'know, metaphorically speaking. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was advocating actual violence against people who are trying to literally eradicate an entire marginalized community. That'd be a terrible thing for someone to be wrong about.
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The obsession with me being "bothered" is getting a little redundant -- observing and relating something is not the same as being bothered by it.
Based on experience at this point it's expected -- if I was bothered everytime I saw a racist conservative post I'd have died of an ulcer by the time I finished college.
The point was that many of the other "conservatives' are openly admitting it is about killing a black man who they perceive as a criminal and a burden on society.
Regardless of what the law dictates.
Ironically enough, I appreciate that you were thoughtful enough to at least try to legitimize it in legal terms.
Rather than the usual "black people like that deserve death" posts that you tend to see on less "civil" conservative forums.
Of course, they don't use the term "black people" on the less moderated forums.
Moreover, why add new links and evidence when you rarely if ever respond to those already provided?
You're about two or three posts behind addressing white supremacy in the Republican party -- with links and videos just as requested.
(We could also get into the cuts to mental health care services that Reagan initiated and subsequent Republican obstruction to universal health care if you truly want to go in depth on where much of the responsibility lies for so many mentally ill walking our streets -- but one issue at a time.)
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Republican talking point -- direct from a known white supremacist.
... Good?
I would love it if we all recognize that killing someone "may" lead to prosecution. Is there some reason we should not want that?
I think I realize now why there will be no unified perspective, regarding this. Some, like yourself, are apparently looking at this story as, "Something bad could have happened!" So don't punish the guy who made sure nothing bad happened, right? Don't discourage people from being good Samaritans, and acting to protect their fellow citizens.
From my perspective, something bad did happen. A man is dead. From my perspective, deciding that this man's death does not deserve to be examined in a court of justice would be the worst kind of failure to protect fellow citizens. Because I can't see why this man's life matters so little as to need no investigation.
This is all especially because my almost 20 years of professional experience really does give me some informed perspective about the "possibility of things going south" with someone who is experiencing a mental health crisis. De-escalation is not a magic trick. And yeah, if you don't know how to do it -- please, don't try to intervene in a mental health crisis. Because something bad could happen.
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Exactly this.
In addition, the idea that the use of lethal force is somehow justified because a homeless person is shouting obscenities is absurd. It's a uniquely American argument because of how much human life has been devalued.
Common sense needs to be applied here, what steps were taken to deescalate? Did anyone attempt to communicate with Neely? Did anyone even try to contact law enforcement? Was there anyone in imminent danger? Violence should be the absolute last option when dealing with someone that's unarmed. Seriously, a lot of people (myself included) have encountered homeless people act crazy and even insult and talk sh!t to people, that shouldn't lead to a death sentence.
All this aside, a man is dead and at the barest minimum the person that killed him should be charged. Based on what we now, Penny wasn't in any danger so all the evidence should be weighed in a court of law. Also, a lot of white people tend to exaggerate black men's "threat level", so it's very important that all the evidence here be carefully scrutinized (yes, I know one of the people that restrained Neely was black).
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I practiced Judo and grappling for 10 years. I’ve had people in choke holds and been in choke holds.
After 3 minutes your vision starts to go and you begin to quickly fade to unconsciousness. As a trained Marine he would know that. He held the man for 15 minutes. Administering a hold is tiring. The person struggles at first and maintaining pressure is hard to do. You’d have to really want to kill someone to maintain a hold for 15 minutes. That amount of time is guaranteed to kill someone. Again, as a trained Marine he’d know that and that’s why he did it. No question.
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