All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[PwrdOn]

Lol. I meant from back before Nixon, when conservative meant what it said on the tin and didn’t require a lot of fine print to make excuses. Democrats are, to the rest of the world, our ‘conservative’ party. AND our progressive party! Which is sad.

But they are HARDLY the ‘far left socialist’ party of the post I was replying to...

Eh even still, if you watch any clips of "respectable" conservatives like William F. Buckley talking about race issues, they'd sound just as egregious as anything coming from Fox News these days. You could perhaps make some allowances for them given the time period, but the bottom line is that the ideological underpinnings behind American conservatism should have been left by the wayside a long time ago. And frankly, the kind of do nothing centrism of the Democratic party isn't really adding much to the conversation either. The real conflict in the long term is going to come between economic and social reformers, debating whether we should prioritize universal healthcare over racial justice and the like.

[zinderel]

Eh even still, if you watch any clips of "respectable" conservatives like William F. Buckley talking about race issues, they'd sound just as egregious as anything coming from Fox News these days. You could perhaps make some allowances for them given the time period, but the bottom line is that the ideological underpinnings behind American conservatism should have been left by the wayside a long time ago. And frankly, the kind of do nothing centrism of the Democratic party isn't really adding much to the conversation either. The real conflict in the long term is going to come between economic and social reformers, debating whether we should prioritize universal healthcare over racial justice and the like.

I do not disagree. I just think the whole situation is sad and ridiculous.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Lol. Right?

Nope, that's a straw man. The actual stance is that Trump is so bad what came before looks slightly better, not that the GOP were "good" before.

I meant, of course, that modern Democrats more closely resemble classic Republicans from back before Nixon, when, agree or disagree on policy, ‘conservative’ meant what it said on the tin and acted accordingly. Back when ‘conservative’ didn’t require a lot of fine print to make excuses for why it now has come to mean ‘religious extremist white supremacist bigots who love money more than people’, the way it does now in America. Most of the world recognizes our Republican Party for what it is: a dangerously erratic and reactionary group of compassion-less gun fetishists, white supremacists, Religious extremists, and the ‘pretty’ dumpster fires in expensive suits and dresses who lead them and profit off of the dumbing down of the citizenry’. Meanwhile, they recognize the Democrats for what they are, our answer to most nations’ ‘conservative’ parties; at the same time, Democrats have to be close enough to what passes for a ‘progressive‘ party to enough Americans to counteract whatever lunacy the GOP is flooding the airwaves with today!!

They have to forge alliances with conservatives or risk not being viable on the national scale. They're a party with conservatives in it but the Democrats aren't a conservative party.

Which is sad and broken, and that’s America...

It's a nation of millions with various sub-groups, America would be in worse shape without their alliances - it's not a matter of principle, its about survival.

But, anyway, they are HARDLY the ‘far left socialist’ party of the post I was replying to.

They really aren't.

[Mister Mets]

*eyeroll* once again, either situational irony goes right over your head, or you PRETEND it does to continue deflecting criticisms of your party.

Let me explain it like to a child:

First, the GOP accused reasonable discussions about late-in-life costs of being ‘death panels’ and using that to attack the ACA at EVERY opportunity.

Next, the GOP did their level best to dismantle the ACA and access to healthcare for the general public (all because they had to eradicate anything that commie fascist secret Kenyan Muslim did during HIS presidency), then ignored a global pandemic, then denied its virulence when they couldn’t ignore the issue any more, then blamed everyone else for their terrible handling of this situation, then suggested that seniors dying is a reasonable sacrifice if it means the rich can start making money again, and generally made a shitshow of their response to a crisis.

Now, after completely dropping the ball and proving their callousness and incompetence to the world, they are having ‘reasonable discussions about late-in-life costs’ and don’t understand the irony of the situation when lefties accuse them of rolling out ‘death panels’.

It’s called ‘irony’ and ‘humor’, two things that form the basis of satire, which Republicans don’t quite understand...as you clearly illustrated.

Your description of "reasonable discussions about late-in-life costs" being associated with "death panels" does fit my view of some Democrats seeing things as "Republicans poisoned the well on something that was difficult but necessary."

There are going to be extreme cases where there are finite resources for many people who are in great need. This was always going to happen in extraordinary situations.

It's not limited to red states like Texas during the Coronavirus, but something we also saw in New York during its peak and in other parts of the world.

The earlier arguments about death panels, and end of life care were about how hospitals would operate under ordinary circumstances.

[SuperiorIronman]

What I want to know is, where are those legions of inbred, redneck ammosexuals hoarding guns like there's no tomorrow while screaming bloody murder that the government was going to crush the people? Well, folks, that's happening live and in prime time. Why are all those armchair urban warriors so silent?

The irony of the whole thing is that the people who do that generally wont actually kill someone. Reality is that they enjoy sitting at home watching TV and fuckin about just as much as everyone else. So in the do or die situation they're generally not going to actually kill anybody or take a stand because it means that freedom of shootin guns gets taken away from them. Why do you think so many of these people aspire to the military or police? The gun nut who goes into the military or police gets to play with bigger "toys" and can enforce their sick homicidal behavior and usually get away with it. Outside of that they don't have any actual power. A bunch of guys with guns at a rally is one thing but the minute they start shooting without any organizations backing and they're just some criminal. It's not to say the police aren't criminals either but they get away with it due to the institutions in place. Any one of these jackasses kill someone or open fire and they're done because they have no backing or any that actually matters in a legal sense.

Basically they're a bunch of arm-chair soldiers.

[Tami]

Just 3 states meet these basic criteria to reopen and stay safe

ll 50 states have moved to reopen their economies, at least partially, after shutting down businesses and gatherings in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

But a Vox analysis suggests that most states haven’t made the preparations needed to contain outbreaks — putting themselves at risk for a rise in Covid-19 cases and deaths should they continue to reopen, as many states have already seen.

Experts told me states need three things to be safe to open. State leaders, from the governor to the legislature to health departments, need to ensure the SARS-CoV-2 virus is no longer spreading unabated. They need the testing capacity to track and isolate the sick and their contacts. And they need the hospital capacity to handle a potential surge in Covid-19 cases.

More specifically, states should meet at least five basic criteria. They should see a two-week drop in coronavirus cases, indicating that the virus is actually abating. They should have fewer than four daily new cases per 100,000 people per day — to show that cases aren’t just dropping but are also below dangerous levels. They need at least 150 new tests per 100,000 people per day, letting them quickly track and contain outbreaks. They need an overall positive rate for tests below 5 percent — another critical indicator for testing capacity. And states should have at least 40 percent of their ICU beds free to actually treat an influx of people stricken with Covid-19 should it be necessary.

So far, most states are not there. As of July 22, just three states — Connecticut, New Jersey, and New York — met four or five of the goals, which demonstrates strong progress. Twenty-two states and Washington, DC, hit two or three of the benchmarks. The other 25 achieved zero or one. (South Dakota and Wyoming didn’t report ICU data, but it wouldn’t be enough to change their rankings.)

[InformationGeek]

For WBE's future update of Louie Gohmert, who continues with his Batsh*t insanity.

WATCH: GOP's Rep. Louie Gohmert introduces resolution to ban Democratic Party: "That any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy shall either change its name or barred from participation in the House."

[BeastieRunner]

For WBE's future update of Louie Gohmert, who continues with his Batsh*t insanity.

Doesn't that ban his party, too? They fly more Stars and Bars than most.

[skyvolt2000]

Dallas ISD school board meeting is going on now.

They had a period for the public to speak.

"Republican Death Cult" was uttered by a teacher about Abbott and Dan Patrick.

One point was bought up-if you are going to temperature check kids before they enter the school and have them stand six feet apart how does that look?

One teacher pointed out that if that was done at one school who has 2,000 kids-that line to get in would be 3 miles long.

We have a school that has 6,000 kids.

EDit

We will start school September 8th in person.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

For WBE's future update of Louie Gohmert, who continues with his Batsh*t insanity.

I guess Louie’s nurse dialed down the dosage of his meds before he spewed that nonsense.

[Tami]

DHS threatens Netflix filmmakers to keep damning footage from airing before the election: report

On Thursday, The New York Times reported that a pair of Netflix filmmakers shooting a behind-the-scenes documentary about President Donald Trump’s immigration policy were threatened by federal officials, ordered to delete footage unflattering to Immigration and Customs Enforcement Officers, and told to delay release of the documentary until after the 2020 election.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

DHS threatens Netflix filmmakers to keep damning footage from airing before the election: report

Are DHS worried that footage could be seen as the 2020 version of James Comey’s infamous “October Surprise” that basically sank Hillary Clinton’s campaign four years ago?

[sammy_hansen]

How many days did the stoiming of the legislative building last?

Ahh, so there's a time limit on the mostly peaceful protesters expressing their First Amendment right to ask to not be murdered by the state. Gotcha.

Do you not even see the irony of the state using extrajudicial means to silence dissent that is aimed at stopping the state from using extrajudicial means to kill Black Americans?






*Now waiting for the response of "There's an argument to be made that the protesters are not peaceful..."*

[Tendrin]

Tom Cotton taking time out of his day to be extra racist.

Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) introduced a law on Thursday that would prohibit federal funding for schools that incorporate curriculum from the New York Times‘s “1619 Project.”

The 1619 Project, named after the year when colonists first brought slaves to the U.S., attempts to retell American history by emphasizing the importance of slavery in the country’s earliest years. However, historians have criticized the project for basic “factual errors” and a ” displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” (One example of such an error in the project is the assertion that the colonies revolted from British rule in order to preserve slavery.)

“The New York Times’s 1619 Project is a racially divisive, revisionist account of history that denies the noble principles of freedom and equality on which our nation was founded,” Cotton said in a statement. “Not a single cent of federal funding should go to indoctrinate young Americans with this left-wing garbage.”

According to Cotton, the bill would not affect federal funding allocated to low-income or special-needs students.)

I love how the article talks about it's 'inaccuracies' while ignoring how wildly inaccurate the actual history we teach our students is.\

[GindyPosts]

Tom Cotton taking time out of his day to be extra racist.



I love how the article talks about it's 'inaccuracies' while ignoring how wildly inaccurate the actual history we teach our students is.\

Tom Cotton would rather fill school media centers with Tek Wars and those Politically Incorrect Guides from Regency Press.