All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Joker]

If you want to talk about why more people voted, you cannot discount the amount of people out of work (more time on their hands) and mail in ballots in states that don't normally have them. These are factors as much as Trump being a historically bad president.

Democrats really need to treat the runoffs in Georgia like it’s a Presidential election and have Biden, Obama and everyone down there

Completely agree. It's a second chance. Don't blow it!

[KOSLOX]

Democrats really need to treat the runoffs in Georgia like it’s a Presidential election and have Biden, Obama and everyone down there

If Roe gets tossed there will be a larger incentive to vote at state elections and midterm. That could end up backfiring for Republicans.

Probably not, but never underestimate peoples' ability to self-sabotage.

[The no face guy]

It's starting to look like a wipe out, Trump's road to victory in 2016 has just soundly rejected him,(Pennsylvania, Michigan & Wisconsin) all have reverted back to blue.

Biden leads in Georgia that hasn't gone blue since 1992, Arizona which has only gone blue once since 1952 is on route to flipping.

Trumpism is dead! Amtrack Joe delivered the goods!

[GindyPosts]

I'm still interested in how this plays out. We knew they were rejoining the GOP after the election, but any chance they had of reining in the crazy to put themselves back at the top of the party is shot. I suspect they go full Q by 2022.

Crazier things have happened. If Trump loses, and the Democrats have virtual control of the Senate via the VP tiebreaker, then they may go full crazy, but a small part of me is still hopeful they recognize the radicalization of conservative policies and arguing that their own government is out to get them may wear thin on weary voters who just want to see stuff get done and the country recover from a crippling pandemic.

[Iron_Legion87]

The meltdowns are hilarious today on social media.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Or...

We could see it as Republicans, in general, not wanting to vote for "the enemy", regardless of how terrible their representative is. The Democratic Party is, for all intent and purposes, a moderate party, but it prominently features liberal and progressive members, yet excludes folks with extreme left-wing views (such as true Communists or "eat the rich" ideologues) from often getting involved in any discourse out of fears of alienation. Republicans, however, want to get as many voters as possible, so they want as many people on the political right as they can get, even as you wander deeper into conservatism and into reactionist rhetoric (which is where Trumpism lies). Or, to be blunt; Democrats want their radicals to stay in coffee shops, while Republicans want their radicals in office.

The fact that the Democratic Party opted for arguably the most traditional, moderate candidate from the field this year in spite of a relatively sizeable part of the base insisting the party go progressive or even socialist while most Republicans stuck behind a reactionist president despite his general lack of popularity nationally proved that Republicans will support Republicans at the end of the day.

And I think Biden, despite all of his failings during the campaign and what he has done in the past to make folks leery of choosing him, overcoming such obstinance should still be commended.

That’s kinda my point. We won in spite of the general strategy of going moderate to bring in more of the middle and more centrist Republicans who detested Trump. If Biden who has been a moderate fixture for nearly 50 years couldn’t make in roads on that path against an outlier like Trump, it’s just never happening

[BeastieRunner]

306 Biden - 232 Trump If Trump gets his way and stops counting across the board.

The recount law, the 2000 SCOTUS decisions, and part of the voting rights act all favor Biden.

SCOTUS would have to overturn an awful lot of laws in order to give Trump a victory. Even then, the margins are not in favor of Trump at this point.

I'm down with 75 days of Trump losing in court battles.

[KOSLOX]

The meltdowns are hilarious today on social media.

I got off Facebook basically the week the shutdown started and haven't looked back. It's been interesting watching this election without engaging in most social platforms.

[GindyPosts]

Democrats are going to have to hammer home the importance of the mid terms, though.

I'm not waiting. I'm trying to see what I can do now in Indiana by getting ahold of my county's party affiliate and asking about joining and campaigning before March's elections for the state's party office. I may be just one man, but anything I can do to use a defibrillator to a party that has flat-lined for 8 years since John Zody took over as chair by ensuring he doesn't get a third term will be our best shot at ensuring Indiana isn't merely a Republican rubber stamp.

[Iron_Legion87]

I got off Facebook basically the week the shutdown started and haven't looked back. It's been interesting watching this election without engaging in most social platforms.

I am not one to gloat or get political on social media but this president and his actions are hard to ignore. Then when I see friends posting off the wall stuff to defend him at every turn is just bonkers. So now that I am seeing people utterly lose their minds because they worship the ground this guy walks on.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

If Roe gets tossed there will be a larger incentive to vote at state elections and midterm. That could end up backfiring for Republicans.

Roberts is gonna wanna avoid a Dred Scott galvanizer. If the SCOTUS guts the ACA after the Election, GA's runoffs are gonna tilt blue.

If you want to talk about why more people voted, you cannot discount the amount of people out of work (more time on their hands) and mail in ballots in states that don't normally have them. These are factors as much as Trump being a historically bad president.

That's true. That applies to both the Blue and Red turnout and enlarged voter base.

The Pandemic is the morality play here. Biden and Harris didn't visit the Texas border towns with predominantly Latino voters, a block which went heavily for HRC in 2016...but at the same time, the Pandemic meant that in-person rallies and turnouts had to be done carefully and Hispanics were more vulnerable to COVID like all minorities.

So that means any lessons you can draw from 2020 may not translate or be effective in other years. Lessons one way or another. The Dems can't assume that the voter turnout for the Dems will be what they are again next time, nor can the GOP do the same. The reasons for the Hispanic turnout one way or another doesn't fall into any specific pattern. There have always been sections of the Hispanic and African-American base that were conservative, thanks to Pandemic and work-from home and unemployment, more of 'em got to vote this year than other years.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Or...

We could see it as Republicans, in general, not wanting to vote for "the enemy", regardless of how terrible their representative is. The Democratic Party is, for all intent and purposes, a moderate party, but it prominently features liberal and progressive members, yet excludes folks with extreme left-wing views (such as true Communists or "eat the rich" ideologues) from often getting involved in any discourse out of fears of alienation. Republicans, however, want to get as many voters as possible, so they want as many people on the political right as they can get, even as you wander deeper into conservatism and into reactionist rhetoric (which is where Trumpism lies). Or, to be blunt; Democrats want their radicals to stay in coffee shops, while Republicans want their radicals in office.

The fact that the Democratic Party opted for arguably the most traditional, moderate candidate from the field this year in spite of a relatively sizeable part of the base insisting the party go progressive or even socialist while most Republicans stuck behind a reactionist president despite his general lack of popularity nationally proved that Republicans will support Republicans at the end of the day.

And I think Biden, despite all of his failings during the campaign and what he has done in the past to make folks leery of choosing him, overcoming such obstinance should still be commended.

Leftist extremists hate Democrats more than Republicans, and the party is welcoming of leftist views - that's why we have the Justice Democrats and Sanders himself was a big factor in the presidential primaries. The base chose Biden, that's why he won there was no "silent majority" if they were Biden wouldn't have won. Which is how the GOP got Trump, not thanks.

He has, and they spit in his face for it. Nothing will get them on board, even when Trump puts immigrants in concentration camps. They're welcome to naval gaze, the Democrats will fight fascism without their support because they never hd any interest in reaching out.

[BeastieRunner]

And now 45 has his eyes on the military vote.

https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-be...to-be-counted/
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...voters-2020-11
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mments-wrapper

[PwrdOn]

I dont know why Republicans see this as a win for the GOp. yes they gain a few seats in the House but not enough to make a difference while their lead in the Senate has shrunk. Trump lost to what he and the GOP were calling a very weak Biden. He is going to lose the Popular this year by more then he did in 2016. And this EC close call? not going to happen. When Biden takes Nevada, PA, and Georgia he will win by a score of 307 to I think 227 if Trump takes NC. That is not that close at all. (My math may be off by a couple votes) That is with Biden having 264 now and Trump have 212 now as many news stations are reporting.

As for 2022 even long time GOP talking heads and some on Fox are worried about it. But it is a long way off so I wont say yet.

So yes The GOP is in trouble.

Because until the GOP is completely marginalized, they will use every dirty trick in the book to try and frustrate whatever agenda the Democrats try to implement. This is especially true at the state and local level where Republicans still hold most of the governorships and state legislatures, and could easily stymie the implementation of any legislation the same way they did with the Obamacare rollout. This is why there can be no compromise whatsoever with the GOP, we need to continue pressing them until they are completely exhausted as a political force.

[Venomous Mask]

And now 45 has his eyes on the military vote.

https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-be...to-be-counted/
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...voters-2020-11
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mments-wrapper

I don't think that there are enough to make a difference.