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    When Trump ain't being crazy, he's now trying to kill our birds.

    The Trump administration moved forward Friday on gutting a longstanding federal protection for the nation’s birds, over objections from former federal officials and many scientists that billions more birds will likely perish as a result. https://t.co/20xhSrltaY

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    Another Republican policy that will "benefit the most people".

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    He's just trying to be annoying at this point and create a list of things so long that Biden cannot possibly undo them all on Day One. Plus a bunch of unmerited pardons that cannot be undone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadH View Post
    I think it has more to do with the policy objectives in question.
    Is it better to support a flawed candidate who'll ultimately support socially positive legislation or a flawed candidate who pushes socially negative legislation?
    When you're not clouding the issue by trying to make both sides seem just as bad the answer becomes clear.
    I fully agree that policy objectives play into the motivations of Democratic supporters. I can accept that they'll see a flawed Democrat as preferable to a generic Republican.

    Republicans will also believe their policies are better, or at the very least the policies proposed by Democrats are worse, and that a flawed Republican is better than most Democrats.

    However, the argument presented to Republicans is that they should overlook their policy objectives, because sometimes character or a higher principle is more important. When it came to the likes of Roy Moore and Trump, I have generally accepted that argument.

    That argument rings hollow when it comes from people who aren't willing to adopt this approach when it benefits their side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    You aren't coming across the way you think - its less "Democrats are more cynical than you admit" and more "Because I can find an instance or two where Democrats fall short of their standards that means Republicans shouldn't be held to any standards of any kind, ever."
    If you think this is just me finding a few examples of Democrats falling short of their standards, and that it's not indicative of anything, is there any example in which the Democratic party was willing to take an electoral hit because of a higher principle?

    It seems to me that the standards are only in situations where there's nothing to lose, when a troubled Senator will be replaced by another Democrat, or when a troubled Governor will be replaced by a Democratic rising star Lieutenant Governor.
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    Don’t forget they cause cancer too!
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    Canadian interview with Obama this week. For your viewing pleasure.

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    E.P.A.’s Final Deregulatory Rush Runs Into Open Staff Resistance

    WASHINGTON — President Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency was rushing to complete one of its last regulatory priorities, aiming to obstruct the creation of air- and water-pollution controls far into the future, when a senior career scientist moved to hobble it.

    Thomas Sinks directed the E.P.A.’s science advisory office and later managed the agency’s rules and data around research that involved people. Before his retirement in September, he decided to issue a blistering official opinion that the pending rule — which would require the agency to ignore or downgrade any medical research that does not expose its raw data — will compromise American public health.

    “If this rule were to be finalized it would create chaos,” Dr. Sinks said in an interview in which he acknowledged writing the opinion that had been obtained by The New York Times. “I thought this was going to lead to a train crash and that I needed to speak up.”

    With two months left of the Trump administration, career E.P.A. employees find themselves where they began, in a bureaucratic battle with the agency’s political leaders. But now, with the Biden administration on the horizon, they are emboldened to stymie Mr. Trump’s goals and to do so more openly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I fully agree that policy objectives play into the motivations of Democratic supporters. I can accept that they'll see a flawed Democrat as preferable to a generic Republican.

    Republicans will also believe their policies are better, or at the very least the policies proposed by Democrats are worse, and that a flawed Republican is better than most Democrats.

    However, the argument presented to Republicans is that they should overlook their policy objectives, because sometimes character or a higher principle is more important. When it came to the likes of Roy Moore and Trump, I have generally accepted that argument.

    That argument rings hollow when it comes from people who aren't willing to adopt this approach when it benefits their side.
    Again, it comes down to the actual policies, not what you or each side believes the policies represent.
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    And Trump is the guy that was against wind power because it kills too many birds

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    On this date in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, as well as 2019, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day posted profiles of the U.S. House Representative from California’s 50th Congressional District, Duncan Hunter, the current U.S. House Representative for California's 50th District, who has a prolific record of voting against women's interests, like against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act or renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, defunding Planned Parenthood back in 2011, and voting for measures like the Blunt Amendment and Personhood bills that would criminalize even some forms of birth control, let alone abortion. On gay rights, he has been opposed, even voting against the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and claiming "the homosexual lobby" was trying to take over our military. Hunter has also been a hard-liner against immigration, calling for an end to birthright citizenship guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, praising Arizona's SB 1070 law that allows racial profiling by law enforcement to catch illegal immigrants, and making outrageous charges that people were bringing the Ebola Virus across the U.S./Mexico border, or that 10 member of ISIS were caught attempting to cross it into the United States (which our nation's intelligence community completely rebuffed). Duncan Hunter is also a huge war hawk, having once listed nuclear war as an alternative to the treaty being forged with Iran, and playing the demagogue to President Obama on Syria, alternating stances from wanting intervention, to voting against it, to saying Obama should be impeached for ordering air strikes against ISIS there. His thoughts on the military are, as well, backwards and exist, as in a Armed Services hearing in January of 2016, he told Navy Secretary Ray Mabus he was “a greater threat to the Marine Corps than ISIS” for putting women in combat roles. In 2017, Hunter supported a Declaration of War on North Korea that didn’t exist, and expressed his support for Donald Trump by giving him the ringing endorsement of, “He’s an ***hole, but he’s our ***hole.” Rep. Hunter, also voiced his support for a GOP tax plan, in spite of both Republicans, Democrats, and in particular, Californians being opposed to it. He was actually quoted in an interview in late October of 2017, saying he would support such an unpopular piece of legislation, saying, “Why punish the rest of the nation because California is stupid?” The younger Duncan Hunter also has been a dedicated ally of the tobacco lobby, frequently doing everything he can to improve access to cheaper tobacco products on U.S. military bases, because our combat efficiency will be greatly improved with our troops being chain smokers. In 2016, Rep. Hunter showed how far his allegiance to the tobacco lobby (who have funneled tens of thousands of dollars towards him) went while in a Congressional hearing, he was arguing against laws that would ban vaping on airplanes, and decided to show his solidary for users of e-cigarettes by honest-to-goodness vaping in the middle of a Congressional hearing, dramatically puffing vapor out to prove his point. Hunter has interesting ethical problems arising from other hobbies he’s interested in, including video games which he illegally paid for using campaign money in 2015. He responded to that by starting off the new session of Congress at the beginning of 2017 by being one of a handful of Republicans attempting to gut funding to the Office of Congressional Ethics. If you’re wondering why it is that Hunter would be so terrified of facing the music over his children sneaking a credit card to pay for video games… oh, the rabbit hole kept going deeper. And literally, it involves a rabbit. It seems Rep. Hunter also used campaign money to have his family’s pet rabbit flown on a plane from California to Virginia… but that isn’t even the tip of the iceberg. The extent of him violating campaign finance laws was egregious enough to garner the attention of the FBI, and sparked a criminal investigation, because the Hunter family was using campaign money to pay for several personal purchases and utilities. Keep in mind, the honorable Congressman has already tried blaming this on his wife, and has recently forced the resignation of his campaign chief of staff, whom he has employed since 2014, and seems to want to take the fall for him. There’s one problem with that attempt at accepting responsibility for the crime… these abuses of Hunter’s campaign money that mysteriously benefit his household and his children have apparently been occurring since 2010, four years before that chief of staff was hired. Among the other things the Hunters charged to taxpayers? Trips to Costco, Riverdance tickets, shots at bachelor parties, and hotel rooms which he was using to screw mistresses behind his wife’s back (that would be the same wife he tried blaming all the illegal spending on). All told, he and his wife were indicted on 60 corruption charges. Now, we’d like to think the people of California’s 50th Congressional District are, at this point, just voting “Hunter” on their ballot for a man under indictment and who literally called Californians stupid within the current term of Congress because they haven’t noticed he isn’t his father who retired yet. So, in order to make sure he could hold onto power, he opted to go with full on bigotry in his campaign ads, claiming his opponent, Anmar Campa-Najjar, a former Obama White House staffer, was actually a member of the Muslim Brotherhood who changed his name to avoid being linked to terrorism. While the pending trial for his alleged crimes isn’t enough to prevent his re-election campaign for 2020… Hunter is still stubbornly trying to hang on to his Congressional seat but was unseated in the GOP Primary by fellow Republican Darrell Issa, who decided to carpet-bag his way over to California’s 50th to unseat his embattled colleague rather than try to take back his old district. As such, we will set aside his profile at this time and take a look at another kooky Republican today instead. (Current crazy/stupid scoreboard, is now 938-45, since this was established in July 2014.


    Reba Sherill
    Welcome to what is the 938th original profile here at “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day”, where we’ll be discussing Reba Sherill, a 2020 candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives in Florida’s 21st Congressional District, who is the latest in a long line of Republicans we’ve had to profile who snagged that red pill and embraced the deranged Qanon conspiracy theory. Sherill was interviewed by a supporter and openly admitted attending a “Great Awakening” rally, taking a hipster’s approach to the nuttery by claiming she had been following Q since the beginning”. When that interview was posted, she deliberately misspelled her “ThanQ you” back at her interviewer.


    Sherill rambled about a “new world order”, “globalism”, and fear-mongered about the “sex trafficking” being done in underground cults (per the conspiracy theory), and burned through $350,000 of her own money during her campaign. That sum of cash translated to Sherill effectively spending $350 per vote she got, and amounted to all of 3% of the primary vote. It’s even more sad when you realize she finished with 1/14 of the votes by the winner… fellow conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer.

    Let’s just say the GOP had some terrible candidates in Florida’s 21st, and that Reba Sherrill was but one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I fully agree that policy objectives play into the motivations of Democratic supporters. I can accept that they'll see a flawed Democrat as preferable to a generic Republican.

    Republicans will also believe their policies are better, or at the very least the policies proposed by Democrats are worse, and that a flawed Republican is better than most Democrats.

    However, the argument presented to Republicans is that they should overlook their policy objectives, because sometimes character or a higher principle is more important. When it came to the likes of Roy Moore and Trump, I have generally accepted that argument.

    That argument rings hollow when it comes from people who aren't willing to adopt this approach when it benefits their side.

    If you think this is just me finding a few examples of Democrats falling short of their standards, and that it's not indicative of anything, is there any example in which the Democratic party was willing to take an electoral hit because of a higher principle?

    It seems to me that the standards are only in situations where there's nothing to lose, when a troubled Senator will be replaced by another Democrat, or when a troubled Governor will be replaced by a Democratic rising star Lieutenant Governor.
    Franken got kicked quickly, what's the Democratic equivalent to Roy Moore? It's night and day between how the parties respond to controversies, Democrats have standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Franken got kicked quickly, what's the Democratic equivalent to Roy Moore? It's night and day between how the parties respond to controversies, Democrats have standards.
    This happened in September. Think about how many Democrats that you have seen say that there is no place for this guy in the party since the announcement.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...49c_story.html

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    One side: "We are appalled, and do not support him as a candidate. If we can stop him in other ways that aren't cutting donations or not voting, we will."
    Other side: "We don't see what the problem is, and resent that anyone would criticize one of us for being awful. We will double down and give him more money and vote for him in lockstep."
    Folks here observing the above: "bOtH pArTiEs aRe tHe sAmE".


    GTFO with this narrative, because anyone who believes it is a disingenuous partisan gaslighter.
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