All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Jack Dracula]

Politely, they got it right.

That said, exactly what they got right is almost entirely disconnected from actual justice based on what a prosecutor decided to go for.

Caught Dan Abrams pointing out that the jury was not being asked to decide on if Rittenhouse ever should have been there to start with or if it was a good idea for him to take a gun.

What they were asked to decide is if there was specifically a credible "Self-Defense..." defense in this particular instance.

Since he could possess the gun legally and he never took it across state lines?

There is no criminal act prior to him being attacked that would negate a "Self-Defense..." claim. Past that, video pretty clearly showed someone else initiate the first shooting, and Rittenhouse only shooting after he had been attacked while running away.

It's not even like he decided to stop running, and initiated the second conflict. He only took part in it when he had no other reasonable way out of it.

It's really clear self-defense.

Someone fired a gun at the scene but not at Rittenhouse. If your argument is that lends credibility to his self-defense claim you’d be wrong. Nothing you’ve said exonerates him. He’s a willing participant by virtue of his unsolicited choice to be there. He bears as much responsibility for that choice as the people who attacked him bear for theirs. The difference is they paid a price where he did not.

[numberthirty]

Someone fired a gun at the scene but not at Rittenhouse. If your argument is that lends credibility to his self-defense claim you’d be wrong. Nothing you’ve said exonerates him. He’s a participant by virtue of his unsolicited choice to be there. He bears as much responsibility for that choice as the people who attacked him. The difference is they paid a price where he did not.

Politely, this is a completely nonsensical version of what actually took place.

If the people who attacked him never did what they decided to do, nothing happens.

You might as well blame a drunk driver who is driving along without hitting anyone after a group of folks are hurt because they jumped into their cars and rammed the drunk driver's car.

You cannot be the cause of something while trying to spread the blame around.

[skyvolt2000]

Nothing else needs to be said.

How about this...

Kyle Rittenhouse — the teen who was acquitted Friday after he shot three people, killing two, at a racial justice protest in Kenosha last summer — told Tucker Carlson that he is “not a racist person.”

“I support the BLM movement, I support peacefully demonstrating,” he said in a clip released by Fox News, teasing an interview with the host that will air Monday night. Shortly after the jury announced its verdict on Friday, the network announced the interview special.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...n-blm-1261019/

According to his lawyer, Mark Richards, Rittenhouse paid for his defense attorneys and expert witnesses through crowdfunding. “I did not approve of that,” Richards said on CNN. “I threw them out of the room several times.”

Richards went on to explain that people who were helping Rittenhouse and his family raise funds also insisted on giving access to Carlson’s documentary crew. “The people who were raising the money to pay for the experts and to pay for the attorneys were trying to raise money. And [the documentary] was part of it,” Richards said.

After the Rittenhouse interview airs on television, Fox will release a follow-up documentary from Tucker Carlson Originals, which the network promised would contain “exclusive behind-the-scenes access to Rittenhouse and his defense team.”

[numberthirty]

Past that, there is no need for "Credibility...."

Every piece of video in existence shows someone else initiating a confrontation with Rittenhouse.

Never mind the piece of video that clearly shows Rittenhouse running away from a potential second confrontation.

That is exactly what you would want someone to do in a "Self-Defense..." situation. He only fired when he was in a violent situation, and only wounded someone that admitted that they aimed a gun that they did not have a permit for at Rittenhouse.

[thwhtGuardian]

Past that, there is no need for "Credibility...."

Every piece of video in existence shows someone else initiating a confrontation with Rittenhouse.

Never mind the piece of video that clearly shows Rittenhouse running away from a potential second confrontation.

That is exactly what you would want someone to do in a "Self-Defense..." situation. He only fired when he was in a violent situation, and only wounded someone that admitted that they aimed a gun that they did not have a permit for at Rittenhouse.

Legally speaking, sure, and that's why he was acquitted...but morally, he never should have been there and he never should have had a gun but because he was and he did someone died.

[kidfresh512]

Very sad breaking News. A Car drove through a holiday parade in Wisconsin. No word yet on dead and injured. CNN said the car got away.

My god how horrific

[numberthirty]

Legally speaking, sure, and that's why he was acquitted...but morally, he never should have been there and he never should have had a gun but because he was and he did someone died.

If this was a situation where he accidentally discharged the gun and someone wound up dead?

I would completely agree.

As it stands, every single one of the people who were hurt or killed took an active role in initiating the situation that wound up with them being hurt or killed.

It's just not "Apple..."/"Apple..."

As for the "Moral..." aspect?

Trying to get to criminal accountability based on what is "Morally..." right is regularly futile. The best that they can hope for is to go to civil court.

[numberthirty]

My god how horrific

From the sound of it, they think that they actually have a "Person Of Interest..."

I don't even want to think about what them saying that this soon might mean.

[Tami]

Saw this on Twitter, from former FBI counterintelligence specialist Frank Figliuzzi...



Half of the pro-Rittenhouse promotion is coming from foreign adversaries. Russian intelligence has been revealed to want to destabilize the United States through racial strife. And it works, unless Americans are smart enough to realize they're being motivated to turn on each other by foreign entities.

I saw that too. Only good thing about it is that these false tweets were identified, though probably not in time to avoid influencing the gullible.

[babyblob]

From the sound of it, they think that they actually have a "Person Of Interest..."

I don't even want to think about what them saying that this soon might mean.

They just held a press conference. it is still going on. They said 11 adults and 12 children have been taken to area hospitals. They have said there are some people who have died but they are not giving a number because they have to notify families.

They said one person was in custody but they are not saying how many people are involved.

Not a lot of info right now.

This saddens and angers me great deal.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

They just held a press conference. it is still going on. They said 11 adults and 12 children have been taken to area hospitals. They have said there are some people who have died but they are not giving a number because they have to notify families.

They said one person was in custody but they are not saying how many people are involved.

Not a lot of info right now.

This saddens and angers me great deal.

Watched the video, it was horrific.

[babyblob]

Watched the video, it was horrific.

I watched and wished I didnt. I am near tears I am trying to do other stuff to take my mind off it. i turned the coverage off. I cant handle that tonight.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litiga...et-2021-10-27/

Biden is confirming judicial nominees at a pace not seen since the Nixon years.

[Tami]

Two Fox News Contributors Quit in Protest of Tucker Carlson’s Jan. 6 Special

The trailer for Tucker Carlson’s special about the Jan. 6 mob at the Capitol landed online on Oct. 27, and that night Jonah Goldberg sent a text to his business partner, Stephen Hayes: “I’m tempted just to quit Fox over this.”

“I’m game,” Mr. Hayes replied. “Totally outrageous. It will lead to violence. Not sure how we can stay.”

The full special, “Patriot Purge,” appeared on Fox’s online subscription streaming service days later. And last week, the two men, both paid Fox News contributors, finalized their resignations from the network.

In some ways, their departures should not be surprising: It’s simply part of the new right’s mopping up operation in the corners of conservative institutions that still house pockets of resistance to Donald J. Trump’s control of the Republican Party. Mr. Goldberg, a former National Review writer, and Mr. Hayes, a former Weekly Standard writer, were stars of the pre-Trump conservative movement. They clearly staked out their positions in 2019 when they founded The Dispatch, an online publication that they described as “a place that thoughtful readers can come for conservative, fact-based news and commentary.” It now has nearly 30,000 paying subscribers.

Their departures also mark the end of a lingering hope among some at Fox News — strange as this is for outsiders to understand — that the channel would at some point return to a pre-Trump reality that was also often hyperpartisan, but that kept some distance from Republican officials. Fox’s chairman, Rupert Murdoch, recently deplored Trumpism while acting as though — as Bloomberg’s Tim O’Brien noted — he didn’t run the company.

[Iron Maiden]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litiga...et-2021-10-27/

Biden is confirming judicial nominees at a pace not seen since the Nixon years.

Good. We have to balance the scales since Trump (Or I should say Mitch McConnell) went on a tear too