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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
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    Someone check Herschel Walker for CTE.
    Let's always remember that Herschel Walker's first job as a professional football player was as a running back for the New Jersey Generals in the USFL, a team owned by, wait for it, Donald Trump. Not that I'm defending Walker, but a lot of people keep a place in their hearts for the person who gave them their first job as an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingForce View Post
    I wouldn't know for sure, in all the documentaries I watched about WW2 and Nazi Germany it seemed like the economy was quite prosperous for some time, and that the Germans were also quite industrious in the amount of military units like tanks, airplanes and ships they were able to pump out, but I never really saw them going into much greater detail.

    They basically just felt as though they should have the right to basically conquered territories or landmasses like what Britain had achieved and virtually had imperial ambitions not all dissimilar from many other groups such as America or the aforementioned, Britain and maybe even the much lauded Jews, though they are strangely unmentionable in that regard (Zionists I suppose would be a sufficient term?)

    The Germans apparently did drugs and had nearing the end of the war started to suffer from the effects of relying on drugs to give them the edge, which made me some of the reasons for their above stated problems.

    I imagine it would be quite frightening going up against Nazis on speed, but that's fundamentally what the secret of the blitzkriegs were I guess.
    Remember that most film footage of Nazi Germany comes from their own propaganda films, and in terms of war production they were always vastly outmatched by the Soviets, nevermind the USA. Their army was also never as powerful as in popular imagination, whatever edge they may have had in weapons, tactics, or training was vastly outweighed by their utter neglect for supply, logistics, and military intelligence, all of which were far more important to the final victory than drugged up super soldiers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    Let's always remember that Herschel Walker's first job as a professional football player was as a running back for the New Jersey Generals in the USFL, a team owned by, wait for it, Donald Trump. Not that I'm defending Walker, but a lot of people keep a place in their hearts for the person who gave them their first job as an adult.
    Attitudes like his also tend to be pretty common among celebrities though. In his mind, if being black never prevented HIM from becoming a successful millionaire athlete or navigating white society while being treated with respect and awe, then why should it be a problem for anyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Attitudes like his also tend to be pretty common among celebrities though. In his mind, if being black never prevented HIM from becoming a successful millionaire athlete or navigating white society while being treated with respect and awe, then why should it be a problem for anyone else?
    The problem with that outlook is that those same people who treat them with awe and respect only do so because they play for their favorite team, college or pro. If Walker had a different political slant, those "fans" would turn on him in a heartbeat.

    If your political views differ, they just want you to shut up and dribble. Herschel just doesn't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    I'm sure you screen name is actually a call to insurrection.
    I guess maybe I never thought of it that way it was actually a joke as at the time I couldn't think of the name and instead of "insurrection" I honestly thinking of "erections" and penises, even though I am straight but I guess it is because I was thinking about women and pornography like I do on a fairly frequent basis.

    I would consider myself kind of a left-libertarian among other things but I do not know if I would really ever do anything about it because I fear I would be shot and martyred, but I guess I am kind of a former idealist who somehow turned into what you could call a "visionary" perhaps, I have always dreamed about a better world among other things, I have always felt unhappy with what I feel is kind of a complacent, disconnecting and very alienating world.

    I was very much into alternative music, and punk rock growing up and I was also an orphan who grew up relatively in squalor so I witnessed a lot of social inequality and I felt injustices throughout my life so when I discovered Karl Marx it was this big huge deal for me and I felt like everything I had been searching for had finally been answered, but at some point I grew really disillusioned with the left, and I pandered and started to understand conservatism finally where as before I thought they were just these big huge evil monsters and racists, but I recently grew disillusioned with that as well, though for a long time I felt politics for really decisive and I did not bother with them at all because you listen to most political pundits and debates and discussions and it is hard not to think they are just talking heads repeating the same talking points in a very predictable and cyclic manner.

    I then felt lost and like I had nothing left to believe in, I then tried Judaism but when I found out about the Torah and the Talmund i was really angry for a while, so naturally I eventually came back around to Christianity, but I have repeatedly grown frustrated with organized religion, but I do in essence believe in the bible or I suppose "God" and think that Jesus was the Messiah. I was almost a Nazi as well for a brief period but I just had awful experiences with the conservatives in general, so I gave up on that basically. But I understand Germany's ideas and fascism and all that stuff really well ironically or not I guess? I dunno I think it all just helped me gain a clearer and more precise understanding on the nature of truth when alternated with the world you see on the surface. That was really weird, my experiences with Nazism. I used to also meditate and practice Taoist and Buddhist spirituality in an attempt to desperately find peace and meaning in a world I felt out of place in.

    But I came around back to Marxism I guess after all of that, but I was kind of proud I kind of have my own take on it all, like I feel like I came up with my own political leaning almost? I am not 100% sure though, but I mostly agree with Noam Chomsky overall, I am a huge fan of his work, I am attempting to read his major literary contributions and have watched so many of his lectures and speeches on youtube, I am afraid of what will happen when he leaves this world as I wonder if anyone could take his place. He also was from a working class blue collar family who I guess survived Nazi Germany or something apparently which is pretty interesting (he of jewish background)

    I would mostly like to be a musician for now, and use music as kind of a platform like Bob Dylan and many of the punk bands I grew up idolizing, though it wouldn't all just be about politics. I think I could get away with questioning the establishment, but it is quite frightening.

    I listen to songs like this and I think they capture the compartmentalize, cold and disconnecting feelings of alienation so well, I desperately think and envision that there must be a world better then this, but to quote George Orwell "“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
    If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingForce View Post
    I wouldn't know for sure, in all the documentaries I watched about WW2 and Nazi Germany it seemed like the economy was quite prosperous for some time, and that the Germans were also quite industrious in the amount of military units like tanks, airplanes and ships they were able to pump out, but I never really saw them going into much greater detail.

    They basically just felt as though they should have the right to basically conquered territories or landmasses like what Britain had achieved and virtually had imperial ambitions not all dissimilar from many other groups such as America or the aforementioned, Britain and maybe even the much lauded Jews, though they are strangely unmentionable in that regard (Zionists I suppose would be a sufficient term?)

    The Germans apparently did drugs and had nearing the end of the war started to suffer from the effects of relying on drugs to give them the edge, which made me some of the reasons for their above stated problems.

    I imagine it would be quite frightening going up against Nazis on speed, but that's fundamentally what the secret of the blitzkriegs were I guess.
    Dude!

    The economy was basically prosperous based on taking Jewish businesses away from their rightful owners and slave labor in concentration camps.

    You are literally praising Nazi Germany, what are you DOING?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RisingForce View Post
    I wouldn't know for sure, in all the documentaries I watched about WW2 and Nazi Germany it seemed like the economy was quite prosperous for some time, and that the Germans were also quite industrious in the amount of military units like tanks, airplanes and ships they were able to pump out, but I never really saw them going into much greater detail.

    They basically just felt as though they should have the right to basically conquered territories or landmasses like what Britain had achieved and virtually had imperial ambitions not all dissimilar from many other groups such as America or the aforementioned, Britain and maybe even the much lauded Jews, though they are strangely unmentionable in that regard (Zionists I suppose would be a sufficient term?)

    The Germans apparently did drugs and had nearing the end of the war started to suffer from the effects of relying on drugs to give them the edge, which made me some of the reasons for their above stated problems.

    I imagine it would be quite frightening going up against Nazis on speed, but that's fundamentally what the secret of the blitzkriegs were I guess.
    Dude!

    The economy was basically prosperous based on taking Jewish businesses away from their rightful owners and slave labor in concentration camps.

    You are literally praising Nazi Germany, what are you DOING?
    Having watched for a few pages worth of this, I'm pretty sure, Captain, that the answer to your question is "trolling." Scrolling past all further to come from this source without slowing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Having watched for a few pages worth of this, I'm pretty sure, Captain, that the answer to your question is "trolling." Scrolling past all further to come from this source without slowing down.
    This is exactly how people become radicalized though, since that poster seems to be exactly the sort of guy who is just down on their luck and confused about the world, the type that is seemingly ubiquitous on the internet these days, and if you guys aren't willing to explain and make sense of everything for him, there are plenty of fascists out there who are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Having watched for a few pages worth of this, I'm pretty sure, Captain, that the answer to your question is "trolling." Scrolling past all further to come from this source without slowing down.
    I don't think it's trolling. TBH you guys go there a little fast at times. But if the lifestory he dumped is any indication he has some privilege he isn't accounting for despite his humble beginnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    This is exactly how people become radicalized though, since that poster seems to be exactly the sort of guy who is just down on their luck and confused about the world, the type that is seemingly ubiquitous on the internet these days, and if you guys aren't willing to explain and make sense of everything for him, there are plenty of fascists out there who are.
    Considering the guy also started a thread about "heritage" it seems very clear that the philosophies some of my ancestors fell for in the 1930s have some appeal to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    Considering the guy also started a thread about "heritage" it seems very clear that the philosophies some of my ancestors fell for in the 1930s have some appeal to him.
    It's natural and normal for anyone to have some curiosity about their own heritage, it's not like neo-Nazis are the only ones using 23 and Me. The key is to give these types of people a way to channel that energy in a healthy and productive way, instead of letting them fall down the rabbit hole of reactionary politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    It's natural and normal for anyone to have some curiosity about their own heritage, it's not like neo-Nazis are the only ones using 23 and Me. The key is to give these types of people a way to channel that energy in a healthy and productive way, instead of letting them fall down the rabbit hole of reactionary politics.
    If you need to be coddled to know not to treat other people as subhumans for what they look like, then I don't think you cared about anyone but yourself to begin with.

    After all, there are whole swathes of people who don't get the luxury of "finding themselves" who live in a one strike, you are dead world. Where are the people helping them channel their energy in "healthy and productive ways"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    If you need to be coddled to know not to treat other people as subhumans for what they look like, then I don't think you cared about anyone but yourself to begin with.

    After all, there are whole swathes of people who don't get the luxury of "finding themselves" who live in a one strike, you are dead world. Where are the people helping them channel their energy in "healthy and productive ways"?
    It's not just white guys on the internet that end up falling out of society like this, if you go to any marginalized community you'll find the exact same thing in spades, whether that be kids who turned to a life of crime or religious fanatics or whatever. Whether or not you think that catering to the emotional needs of young men is something that we need to be spending more time and energy on, it's pretty clear that everywhere you look, the default policy of just telling them to just shut up and deal with it hasn't been working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    It's not just white guys on the internet that end up falling out of society like this, if you go to any marginalized community you'll find the exact same thing in spades, whether that be kids who turned to a life of crime or religious fanatics or whatever. Whether or not you think that catering to the emotional needs of young men is something that we need to be spending more time and energy on, it's pretty clear that everywhere you look, the default policy of just telling them to just shut up and deal with it hasn't been working.
    How many outside young white men have the real option of eventually getting into the white house while still maining there toxic beliefs?

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    RisingForce says some strange things and they have some weird concepts of history. But they are respectful and accepts comments. If they chose CBR to work out things, we can engage with them or ignore them. But I don't think we should be nasty.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    How many outside young white men have the real option of eventually getting into the white house while still maining there toxic beliefs?
    You're confusing the people who actually hold power with the misinformed masses whom they manipulate to get into office.

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