The same Mitch who wouldn't even allow the Dems power sharing agreement until he thought he could keep 2 Dems on record of never filibustering? Giving Mitch McConnel any kind of "hope" or credit is ALWAYS a mistake. Time and time again he has shown his true colors. If he tries to deny Dems getting control of the Senate for a week he has shown once again he will stop at nothing to block and obstruct. Until he can get the Senate again in midterms.
He should want trump banished from being elected again more than anyone. And yet he knows unless he actively comes out and tries to whip up the votes himself and make the case they will not convict. Fox News and right wing media have been trying to "move on" from the insurrection since like the day after. And making excuses and what about BLM and ANTIFA. They are more up in arms about Twitter and Facebook bans than they are about a mob who killed police officers. How will the needle move on public pressure to hold trump accountable?
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There was an SNL sketch where, after the impeachment and the Senate not passing it, Bill Clinton goes to the podium and says, "Next time, y'all best bring kryptonite 'cause I am bulletproof". I don't think I've ever met a liberal or democrat who thinks Clinton being impeached means squat to his reputation. Only conservative Republicans think that. Democrats just consider it a partisan witch hunt, which it was.
But most Conservatives think exactly the same thing about Trump's two impeachments. I've had conservatives outright say it means jack s**t because, in their minds, it was totally partisan. It means no more to them, maybe less, than Clinton's impeachment means to liberals. There is zero social or political stigma attached to it by the voters that matter to Trump.
It would be interesting to be able to see what all this looks like to people fifty ort a hundred years from now when the immediacy and the emotional reaction is not there anymore, when no one living remembers the events. But that doesn't matter now in Clinton's and Trump's lifetimes.
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I suppose there may be people like that. I don't know about there being a lot of them, though. I've worked in social services for fourteen years, and while social workers obviously think their programs are worthwhile -- the work is too hard to be bothered with it otherwise -- I don't think many at all imagine that any one program is going to "cure" any person. I'd say the outlook is generally more akin to someone who recognizes they are trying to shovel out their driveway after a blizzard, using a spoon.
That driveway is never gonna get done that way, and that's just a grim reality. But, if it needs to be clear, you can get to work and do what you can, or you can sit back and complain about not having the right tools. And make no mistake, I understand that 95% of the world will say the work is pointless -- I just disagree about the reasons the other 5% will do it anyway.
Anyway, I have thankfully not been to prison myself, so I will defer to your expertise on the matter. It would be nice if I could understand everything in the world, but realistically I never will, so it's all good.
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Clinton's Impeachment cost the Dems the 2000 election. Not directly but it affected it significantly.
Because of the scandal and controversy, Clinton didn't tour or accompany Al Gore personally, and Al Gore had to take paints to emphasize himself as a clean ethically fair candidate, and backtracked from touting the economic achievements of the Presidency. He campaigned to the center and W. did so likewise and that meant that voters felt neither party or candidate was all that different. That also allowed third party saboteurs like Nader to make inroads and compromise the Dems. Had there been no impeachment, or if there was and Clinton resigned and Al Gore took over right away and campaigned as incumbent, you could have had Gore run a more positive campaign based on a strong economic recovery.
So yeah, it's not a case that the Impeachment didn't affect Bill Clinton or that it didn't cost the Democrat party. And again, the entire issue of Bill's sex life was one of the reasons why the Access Hollywood tape (which looked like it could sink Trump) didn't stick because conservatives were able to flip it back to Bill and his own manwhore tendencies, and it compromised HRC's women's rights credentials that she was married to a guy who cheated on her multiple times. In 2020, Clinton was so marginalized that during the DNC convention, Clinton got a small bracket to speak next to Jimmy Carter. The Impeachment of Andrew Johnson (which came within one vote of getting 2/3rds conviction) compromised him so badly that he didn't run for President after he finished Lincoln's term.
Again it's too early to say and argue.But most Conservatives think exactly the same thing about Trump's two impeachments. I've had conservatives outright say it means jack s**t because, in their minds, it was totally partisan. It means no more to them, maybe less, than Clinton's impeachment means to liberals. There is zero social or political stigma attached to it by the voters that matter to Trump.
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Senator Patrick Leahy going into a hospital. Undisclosed condition. Already pundits are going into speculation on what it could mean if it means "the worst". Sheesh.
Well, we'll have to just see what happens. Hoping for the best. But these Democratic (and liberal-leaning Independent) senators who are up in age need to be grooming successors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/sen-...-hospital.html
Sen. Patrick Leahy was taken to a Washington hospital after “not feeling well,” his spokesman said.
The Vermont Democrat is due to preside over the upcoming impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump,
Leahy is the president pro tempore of the Senate, which makes him responsible for presiding over that chamber in the absence of Vice President Kamala Harris, and puts him third in line of presidential succession.
The House impeached Trump for inciting the riot by his supporters at the Capitol complex on Jan. 6. Thousands of members of a mob invaded the halls of Congress, which was in the process of confirming the election of Joe Biden as president that day.
Thank you. I know we have debated in the past on politics. But you never attacked me personally so I thank you for that. Even if we dont always agree you make your points well. I have never seen you go after anyone personally which says a lot considering how heated things get here.
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There was talk that they may change the rules of Reconciliation to allow more types of legislation to be passed.
Rachel Maddow threw out an idea not to long ago- when it comes time to vote Guilty or Not Guilty for Trump, 17 Republicans just have to NOT show up. They need a majority of Senators present, not the whole body, I think.
While I hope he is okay and he comes back soon, I'm really starting to fear we have another RBG situation here. Someone getting up in years who maybe should have rode off into the sunset earlier who suddenly dies (god forbid) and who get's replaced with a Republican conservative pick.