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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    Xheights take on this:

    The proof exists, but all US courts are systematically biased in Joe Biden’s favour. And the Donald lacks the intelligence and resources to present the case in a straightforward and convincing way.

    I suppose the take might be right, but I suspect even XHeight sipping his nocturnal bourbon harbours a doubt or three.
    Key is the active use of the system not unlike the case of systemic-inequality against African Americans in the loan industry, if you believe in conspiracies like that that is. Some where between believing in the scattered evidence of banks favoring white home buyers because of their skin color and Q is the evidence for the stolen election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xheight View Post
    It is in reply to the post, it doesn't matter if it is true or not only that some people do think it is and that is the motive for both their distrust and actions to protect the system locally. This is already a degree removed from the claim. That I believe the claim is only relevant to the insight to be descriptive of those taking such actions in states.
    Of course it matters if it’s true.

    If it’s true, we should understand how that is. If it’s not true, we should strive to convince people who have a wildly incorrect view of the world to stop being wrong.

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    In slightly more amusing news, Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying that it may not be likely that Kevin McCarthy would have the votes to become Speaker of the House if and when the Republicans take back control.

    Marjorie Taylor Greene lays out demands for GOP House speaker vote if Republicans retake majority in 2022

    There is something so satisfying about seeing a man- who has abandoned all honor and caters to the extreme wing of their party, all to achieve his dream of becoming Speaker of the House- be denied that dream by the very fascists he has been sucking up to.
    His odds are better the bigger the a Republican majority.

    If Democrats keep the House, McCarthy is out as leader.

    If Republicans win narrowly, he’ll have to appease the idiots. He did get rejected once as leader, but there’s no Paul Ryan in the wings this time.

    If Republicans win by thirty seats, he can ignore Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, Cawthorne, and a handful of others. As a bonus, Gohmert is running for attorney general, against an incumbent and a Bush, so that removes one right-wing grandstander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xheight View Post
    Key is the active use of the system not unlike the case of systemic-inequality against African Americans in the loan industry, if you believe in conspiracies like that that is. Some where between believing in the scattered evidence of banks favoring white home buyers because of their skin color and Q is the evidence for the stolen election.
    The difference is that we have evidence for racial and institutional discrimination, whereas you have none for the stolen election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    The difference is that we have evidence for racial and institutional discrimination, whereas you have none for the stolen election.
    If you had been following the thread the evidence is suggestive and been made not unlike the some times academically disputed racial bias evidence. But here is a link again https://electionfraud20.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xheight View Post
    If you had been following the thread the evidence is suggestive and been made not unlike the some times academically disputed racial bias evidence. But here is a link again https://electionfraud20.org/
    Racial discrimination was codified in laws for decades, for one thing. It's amazing that you seem to regard it as 'disputed'.

    All you have is 'Why did so many people vote by mail during a pandemic? Conspiracy!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Of course it matters if it’s true.
    If it’s true, we should understand how that is. If it’s not true, we should strive to convince people who have a wildly incorrect view of the world to stop being wrong.
    Beliefs don't quite work entirely on evidence, look at the belief in redistributive economics and socialism. Wildly incorrect according to whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy View Post
    Racial discrimination was codified in laws for decades, for one thing. It's amazing that you seem to regard it as 'disputed'.

    All you have is 'Why did so many people vote by mail during a pandemic? Conspiracy!'
    Yes certain kinds in certain cases - redlining for example but according to Mets are we to assume that if there is one kind of discrimination then there exists any and all kinds without falsifiable evidence? Suggestive evidence is used all the time is my point without it being conclusive and importantly it can be argued. Are we seeing that with the election materials? Nope. The discourse has been shut down and shouted down. Voting in the pandemic was the means to relax rules and introduce others in states where it hadn't existed before. Ridicule before proper argument characterizes so much of our society that it amounts to bias before thought and that can't be good for any ideology.

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    The major headache with the claims of election fraud is that it is easy to create the appearance of suspicious activity as the election system is organized against different rules and overseen by different authorities completely independent of each other in each district and state.

    So it becomes a simple activity to point to any particular element of an election and say "that is an irregularity" because our system is so complicated and rushed. First, I'd have to see how it was an irregularity compared to previous elections. I'd have to see not only how the 2020 election "could be" fraudulent, but also how the same or similar claims could not have been made in the 2016 election. Or how one state's election that is challenged is different from another state's that is not challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnathan View Post
    The major headache with the claims of election fraud is that it is easy to create the appearance of suspicious activity as the election system is organized against different rules and overseen by different authorities completely independent of each other in each district and state.

    So it becomes a simple activity to point to any particular element of an election and say "that is an irregularity" because our system is so complicated and rushed. First, I'd have to see how it was an irregularity compared to previous elections. I'd have to see not only how the 2020 election "could be" fraudulent, but also how the same or similar claims could not have been made in the 2016 election. Or how one state's election that is challenged is different from another state's that is not challenged.
    Or

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Or

    Also, a great point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xheight View Post
    Yes certain kinds in certain cases - redlining for example but according to Mets are we to assume that if there is one kind of discrimination then there exists any and all kinds without falsifiable evidence? Suggestive evidence is used all the time is my point without it being conclusive and importantly it can be argued. Are we seeing that with the election materials? Nope. The discourse has been shut down and shouted down. Voting in the pandemic was the means to relax rules and introduce others in states where it hadn't existed before. Ridicule before proper argument characterizes so much of our society that it amounts to bias before thought and that can't be good for any ideology.
    We ridicule because there is no proper evidence, and understand the logistical nightmare that would be election fraud, something you and the GOP have demonstrated not to actually understand.

    After so many failures to produce basic evidence, I see no reason why we should be required to give your statements any more respect than that of Big Foot or Hollow Earth. When all is said and done, all you have is vaguely suggestive evidence that doesn't withstand basic examination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnathan View Post
    Also, a great point.
    Indeed. Damn you human nature and boredom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xheight View Post
    It is in reply to the post, it doesn't matter if it is true or not only that some people do think it is and that is the motive for both their distrust and actions to protect the system locally. This is already a degree removed from the claim. That I believe the claim is only relevant to the insight to be descriptive of those taking such actions in states.
    All it does is highlight how easily manipulated conservatives are with baseless conspiracy theories.

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