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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    And seriously?

    Biden needs to forget giving Republicans a spot in his administration, and give Jo Jorgensen that spot.

    She might wind up dragging him across the finish line.
    100% agree if "saying" that got him even 5 votes in Wisconsin or Michigan etc yay. But **** that in practice. Mitch has the senate there can be no quarter given to GOP indulgence in cabinet.

    We need up and coming Dems in those spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    While I see where you are coming from, let's not jinx anything.

    A win way tighter than the one folks were crowing about will still be a win(hopefully...)
    I think if Biden gets extremely thin wins in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and wins the electoral college that way it will be "poetic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    The question in January might be if Trump is more dangerous as an opposition candidate four years away from the next election who's likely to incite domestic terrorists and/or work to host rallies that make the pandemic worse, then blame bad positive test numbers on the administration when he's the one causing them.

    It's sad if it's not predictable.
    We have to hope 80 something year old Trump is less appealing to his base at that point. Cause with a narrow win for Biden (if everything goes right) Trump is going to be able rally against a Biden dealing with all this **** with. Republican Senate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Are you sure?

    No setup here, just asking plainly.
    I agree. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, but unfortunately these numbers lean more towards Trump.

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    If the vote trends hold in Wisconsin and Michigan, Biden wins, Pennsylvania nonwithstanding.

    And it's looking like he's got both. Trump losing Arizona was a disaster for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panfoot View Post
    I don't know, it's still a way closer race than it has any right to be, plus could you imagine it being this close without a pandemic? No matter who wins or loses at this point I think it's still a deeply troubling just how many people are still for Trump after everything he's done, even during a goddamn plague.
    True.

    But the pandemic becoming the disaster it is in the US is largely due to Mr Trump himself.

    With just a little more "common sense" and empathy, Trump could have rode out the covid-19 pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I agree. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, but unfortunately these numbers lean more towards Trump.
    They don't, though. The ballots outstanding in these areas are largely expected to deliver Biden the win -- which is why Trump wants to discount them.

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    If Trump loses then he's done with the WH. The republican base in 2023-24 will prefer a prospective candidate who can give them 8 years rather than a guy who is constitutionally mandated to just fill out a second 4 year term.

    And yeah Trump talks about repealing the amendment with POTUS term limits but a constitutional amendment, one way or another is not going to happen without overwhelming support from both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I agree. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, but unfortunately these numbers lean more towards Trump.
    Not necessarily.

    We've been awake most of the night and we've seen the vote count swing very heavily towards Biden.

    Particularly in the last few hours. It looked like a Trump blow out but make no mistake with Arizona and Wisconsin possibly flipped, Trump's only way of winning this election is picking up Pennsylvania and Michigan. But we've seen the vote count in Michigan tighten up and is likely Biden will take the lead there before the day is done.

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    The only outstanding votes left in Wisconsin are in Kenosha, and those aren't going to fall into the GOP's column. Green Bay added to Joe's lead.

    Michigan is now tied, and the remaining ballouts outstanding are not gonna tilt it for Trump.

    The bigger areas of concern are now: Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.

    Biden might actually win Georgia, and is at this point, actually favored to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    They don't, though. The ballots outstanding in these areas are largely expected to deliver Biden the win -- which is why Trump wants to discount them.
    Exactly.

    Did you see Trump's face during his press conference?

    That's not the face of a confident man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Exactly.

    Did you see Trump's face during his press conference?

    That's not the face of a confident man.
    There's a reason that Trump wants to run it to the Supreme Court. He wants the stacked court to save him.

    The thing is... I'm not sure they care about him. They got what they wanted. He is, in fact, expendable to them.

    https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...76110510657539

    1) Biden is well on his way to flipping MI & WI (in addition to AZ & #NE02) and is doing well enough in PA's completed counties to be on track to win there
    2) Polls (esp. at district-level) have rarely led us more astray & it's going to take a long time to unpack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    I think if Biden gets extremely thin wins in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and wins the electoral college that way it will be "poetic".
    What I will find most poetic about Biden wining is that a timeline of story circle would be complete with a good ending.

    Trump tried to de-legitimise Obama's presidency with the birther nonsense, it will be the ultimate poetic justice that Trump got beaten by Obama's vice president.

    My issue with Trump and why I want him to loose was never about politics. It was very personal.
    Last edited by Castle; 11-04-2020 at 06:22 AM.

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    A few random thoughts waking up this morning to the inevitable news that we do not in fact have a declared winner...

    - It tells me a lot that, despite the prevalent feeling by Democrats and the left that Trump is an awful person who was and even worse president, this race will likely take weeks to sort out before an actual winner is declared. Given what's transpired over the past year, should this have even been close?

    - In staying with the prior point, a major part of the issue is that after 4 years from the biggest election upset in United States history, the best two candidates the Democrats could put forward were Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. The latter represents the old guard and business as usual, whereas the former represents extreme socialism.

    - Biden has to hope the remaining 10% of votes remaining to be counted in Michigan swing his way and he holds on to the states in which he currently has a lead to force the issue to Congress, OR he has to hope for those things and a turnaround in the remaining votes in Pennsylvania.

    - What this vote tells me is that despite however people feel regarding the pandemic and how it's been handled, there's a substantial portion of Americans who want things to return to normal even with the risk of infection and Trump represents the probability of that for them.

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    Anyone got a link to an election results/updates page that's better than Google?
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