All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[BeastieRunner]

That is one strange story.

Didn't James O'Keefe do something similar?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

So I my aunt was on a voice chat with her Trumper friends. I saw in because i had questions and man was this a doozy.

I pointed out that Biden took a lead in Ga and Nevada. They all said fraud and cheating. I pointed out that the Secretary of State in each state is a republican. And if there is wide spread fraud against Trump would they not be going on about it like crazy? Several said they dont have the platform to talk about this like they should. I pointed out social media, and the fact that both have had national press conferences in the last several days. And both in these have said on tv there is no fraud. The election is valid. Two said that each Secretary hated Trump for years. And many said that both need to be investigated by the FBI because it is clear that Biden and Pelosi have paid them off and bank records will show that.

So i presented valid truthful points against the claim of fraud. And they all went batshit crazy on their BS claims. Then they asked my aunt how it felt to live with a hard core socialist.

Moments like this make me think thank god I left the party. And was I ever this blind?

I have a relative with extreme right wing views too. On a personal level they tend to be kind and we get along, but I tune out when they talk politics.

The thing is there's no contradiction between liking and loving someone as family and disagreeing and hating their politics. So you don't have to be apologetic about it.

It's tough I know but I've been there. We are all human beings...politically voting Trump is inexcusable and not defensible, but on a human level, you can react differently.

[Jackalope89]

So I my aunt was on a voice chat with her Trumper friends. I saw in because i had questions and man was this a doozy.

I pointed out that Biden took a lead in Ga and Nevada. They all said fraud and cheating. I pointed out that the Secretary of State in each state is a republican. And if there is wide spread fraud against Trump would they not be going on about it like crazy? Several said they dont have the platform to talk about this like they should. I pointed out social media, and the fact that both have had national press conferences in the last several days. And both in these have said on tv there is no fraud. The election is valid. Two said that each Secretary hated Trump for years. And many said that both need to be investigated by the FBI because it is clear that Biden and Pelosi have paid them off and bank records will show that.

So i presented valid truthful points against the claim of fraud. And they all went batshit crazy on their BS claims. Then they asked my aunt how it felt to live with a hard core socialist.

Moments like this make me think thank god I left the party. And was I ever this blind?

I was in the GOP, once upon a time. McCain was the last one I ever voted for. Remember his speech about how he respected Obama, just had different beliefs than him? That solidified him for me (wasn't crazy about his VP pick though). I dropped the party afterwards, seeing the trajectory and Trump running.

Truthfully, I guess I was always more socially liberal than most GOP. And I was closer to how it used to be (like under Eisenhower) than how it became. Never got the worship of Reagan though, even when I was at my most "hardcore" point.

[CaptainEurope]

Oh that will be amazing.

The good news about the Trump biopic industry (well good in this specific instance) is that the movie industry has taken a big shellacking thanks to Corona and so on. So it will be a while for conditions for a decent to moderate budget Trump biopic gets going.

Of course the bad news is that Trump draws so much interest and the movie business needs to make money fast that they might simply go down the Trump rabbithole just to get butts in the seats again.

In Germany, it literally took decades before Germans wanted to see anything dealing with Nazis. My grandparents went into deep denial about the horrors committed in out country.

They even completely re-edited Casablanca when it was first dubbed into German to tell a story about smugglers, not refugees and collaborators!

So I would not be surprised if Trump pics will take a while.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I was in the GOP, once upon a time. McCain was the last one I ever voted for. Remember his speech about how he respected Obama, just had different beliefs than him? That solidified him for me (wasn't crazy about his VP pick though). I dropped the party afterwards, seeing the trajectory and Trump running.

Truthfully, I guess I was always more socially liberal than most GOP. And I was closer to how it used to be (like under Eisenhower) than how it became. Never got the worship of Reagan though, even when I was at my most "hardcore" point.

Eisenhower was a good President, even if some of the stuff he did (Intervening in Iran, Vietnam) is inexcusable. But I'd rank him as better than Bill Clinton...between a Republican who accepted the New Deal and refused to reverse it, and who enforced Brown v. Board...and a Dem who accepted Reaganism ("the end of welfare as we know it") and oversaw the Criminal Justice bill, the Republican has the higher ground.

The Republican party of Nelson Rockefeller, Mitt's dad George, Fiorello LaGuardia, Eisenhower is worth arguing with. McCain to some extent was the last guy who still had those values. Him refusing to overturn the ACA is in the Eisenhower spirit. Mitt Romney depending on the guts he has left, is also close to that.

[Jack Dracula]

Does Miss Lindsey think such donations can be used as tax write-offs?

He’s an opportunist. Maybe hoping for the Trump Bump later?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

In Germany, it literally took decades before Germans wanted to see anything dealing with Nazis. My grandparents went into deep denial about the horrors committed in out country.

They even completely re-edited Casablanca when it was first dubbed into German to tell a story about smugglers, not refugees and collaborators!

So I would not be surprised if Trump pics will take a while.

Right.

The other thing about Trump is that it's so hard to boil down his Presidency to a single throughline. Nixon you can identify salient points (Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, the visit to China). With Hitler and the Nazis, obviously the overwhelming point is the Holocaust.

With Trump, it's 4 crazy intense years of scandal. The Impeachment would have been a defining part for any President but for Trump it's about Scandals 11-20 at best. The Pandemic was the defining crisis of his Presidency but that came in his final months. And even then October with the Rose Garden Massacre, the insane stunts he pulled out, the lack of humbling and arrogance.

It's a lot.

Usually with biopics, real political figures and so on don't always have the most interesting lives and so on, and trying to find the key moments to build up and build around is hard. With Trump the problem is there's just too much stuff. And that's just the stuff we know and is in public.

The secret stuff is probably even more worse or more salacious. We got a hint of that in the Woodward Tapes.

[Tendrin]

Didn't James O'Keefe do something similar?

I don't recall specifically but it wouldn't surprise me.

[master of read]

I was in the GOP, once upon a time. McCain was the last one I ever voted for. Remember his speech about how he respected Obama, just had different beliefs than him? That solidified him for me (wasn't crazy about his VP pick though). I dropped the party afterwards, seeing the trajectory and Trump running.

Truthfully, I guess I was always more socially liberal than most GOP. And I was closer to how it used to be (like under Eisenhower) than how it became. Never got the worship of Reagan though, even when I was at my most "hardcore" point.

that's why the 08 election was hard for me. i liked both guys. i didn't always agree with mccain but i respected him because he would put the nation over the party. he was the last republican i truly liked and respected.

what little decency the GOP had, died with him.

[Godzilla2099]

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[CaptainEurope]

Right.

The other thing about Trump is that it's so hard to boil down his Presidency to a single throughline. Nixon you can identify salient points (Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, the visit to China). With Hitler and the Nazis, obviously the overwhelming point is the Holocaust.

With Trump, it's 4 crazy intense years of scandal. The Impeachment would have been a defining part for any President but for Trump it's about Scandals 11-20 at best. The Pandemic was the defining crisis of his Presidency but that came in his final months. And even then October with the Rose Garden Massacre, the insane stunts he pulled out, the lack of humbling and arrogance.

It's a lot.

Usually with biopics, real political figures and so on don't always have the most interesting lives and so on, and trying to find the key moments to build up and build around is hard. With Trump the problem is there's just too much stuff. And that's just the stuff we know and is in public.

The secret stuff is probably even more worse or more salacious. We got a hint of that in the Woodward Tapes.

Maybe Netflix will do a 6 season series about it, like they did about Queen Elizabeth. Just call it The Clown.

[master of read]

Right.

The other thing about Trump is that it's so hard to boil down his Presidency to a single throughline. Nixon you can identify salient points (Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, the visit to China). With Hitler and the Nazis, obviously the overwhelming point is the Holocaust.

With Trump, it's 4 crazy intense years of scandal. The Impeachment would have been a defining part for any President but for Trump it's about Scandals 11-20 at best. The Pandemic was the defining crisis of his Presidency but that came in his final months. And even then October with the Rose Garden Massacre, the insane stunts he pulled out, the lack of humbling and arrogance.

It's a lot.

Usually with biopics, real political figures and so on don't always have the most interesting lives and so on, and trying to find the key moments to build up and build around is hard. With Trump the problem is there's just too much stuff. And that's just the stuff we know and is in public.

The secret stuff is probably even more worse or more salacious. We got a hint of that in the Woodward Tapes.

in all these 4 years, trump has never acted presidental. he was either lying, shitting on news networks for calling out his lying, bashing anyone who disagreed with him and/or kicking his own ass over something he did. it didn't help that his cabniet was full of corruption and self-serving toadies who were more concerned with pleasing trump than actually doing good for the nation.

remember when he served that sports team mcdonald's at the white house? that should tell you enough about the kind of president he was.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

2 places have called PA. One being...Nate Silver. Now its just waiting on AP to confirm it.

[Bruce Wayne]

The cascade of news agencies calling PA for Biden has started.

#BYEdon is trending now.

They might want to search him before he absconds with the White House silverware.

[Robotman]

Now Trump is complaining about missing military ballots in Georgia. So which is it Twittler? Too many ballots or not enough?!?

I would love to have a silent feed of Trump and his team just having a meltdown. Obviously I don’t want to hear his awful voice but just seeing the chaos would be fine.