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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Race riots, collusion with a foreign government, ignored a pandemic.

    If Trump wins reelection, I smell a dictatorship in the making.

    Please America ... figure it out ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    If peaceful protests get you **** then violence may.
    What meaningful change has come from all the riots America has seen over the years that justifies that kind of thing? The La riots were in 1992 28 years ago. The Ferguson riots were in 2014. And they were a few other then those. What did the riots, looting, and burning of homes and businesses really change? We are still talking about police racism, we are talking about another black man killed by a police officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Two CNN reporters and their crew, each reporting on the protests (don't call them riots) from different locations. One Reporter left alone, the other is arrested. The difference? The first Reporter is White, the second, Black.

    A CNN crew has been arrested while covering Minneapolis protests, and the governor has apologized

    Just thinking how this reminds me of the reports on how Donald and Fred Trump, back in the 70's, were caught in a government sting operation. The government sent in one couple, Black, to try and rent an apartment. That couple was turned away with some excuse that there were no more apartments for rent. Then they sent in another couple, White, to rent the same apartment, and the Trumps were eager to take them as tenants.

    I bet, when the time comes to check on how many protestors were arrested, there will be a much higher number of Black protestors arrested than White Protestors.
    It is really hard these days not to scream. Like, all day long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    What meaningful change has come from all the riots America has seen over the years that justifies that kind of thing? The La riots were in 1992 28 years ago. The Ferguson riots were in 2014. And they were a few other then those. What did the riots, looting, and burning of homes and businesses really change? We are still talking about police racism, we are talking about another black man killed by a police officer.
    You're assuming looting and riots are always about "change" rather than humans openly expressing anger and frustration with the status quo.



    It's a common assumption when one only applies said logic to certain groups and individuals.

    People tried to "change" things at the ballot box with Obama.

    And wound up with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    It is really hard these days not to scream. Like, all day long.
    I know the feeling. All I can hope is that, by exposing the festering wounds to the light day, we might still have a chance to heal them and not simply cover them with a bandage and assume that all is good and fine with the world.

    We still have a long way to go, but as long as Trump is in office, he'll be dumping Bleach and HCQ (metaphorically) on the social and physical wounds, making them worse and killing more people in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    You're assuming looting and riots are always about "change" rather than humans openly expressing anger and frustration with the status quo.
    I get anger and frustration. But riots and looting just give the authorities the groups are speaking out against an excuse to clamp down harder. A few days of venting and feeling better because they stuck back against the status quo then more hatred directed their way because of what had happened. So there is more anger and the cycle starts all over again. It is foolish.

    Its like those gun toting Alt right people at the capital with their guns. Look at us we are standing up to the status quo. Look at how great we are with our guns. But in the end it just makes sensible people hate them more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    I get anger and frustration. But riots and looting just give the authorities the groups are speaking out against an excuse to clamp down harder. A few days of venting and feeling better because they stuck back against the status quo then more hatred directed their way because of what had happened. So there is more anger and the cycle starts all over again. It is foolish.
    Then stop it at the source.

    Stop cops from abusing and killing black innocents and "suspects" and stop enabling Republicans who suppress black voters so real change can be enacted.



    Doing otherwise proves you don't really "get" the anger and frustration -- that you only pay lip service to it while maintaining the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Then stop it at the source.

    Stop cops from killing black "suspects" and stop enabling Republicans who suppress black voters so real change can be enacted.

    Doing otherwise proves you don't really "get" the anger and frustration -- that you only pay lip service to it while maintaining the status quo.
    I agree with you. Vote the officials that put up with and encourage this kind of thing out. Vote Trump out. If a mayor of a city puts up with this kind of thing vote him out. The police commissioner and DA not doing anything protest, start a movement. I have no problem with peaceful protests and people working for change. People burning and looting. Idiots showing up at a capital building with guns waving. That is where I have a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    I agree with you. Vote the officials that put up with and encourage this kind of thing out. Vote Trump out. If a mayor of a city puts up with this kind of thing vote him out. The police commissioner and DA not doing anything protest, start a movement. I have no problem with peaceful protests and people working for change. People burning and looting. Idiots showing up at a capital building with guns waving. That is where I have a problem.
    Most people do.

    But it's a worldwide and historical phenomenon -- and it won't stop until people feel their issues have been addressed.

    Claiming you have a problem with it when the cause of the problem is still prominent is not a real solution.

    It says a lot that the only time these issues seem to get attention is when they are captured on video.

    Which basically makes it clear that for every one we see in full there are many others that go both unchecked and unreported.

    Also -- those idiots showed up and waved their guns around and a lot of cities opened up a few weeks later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Twitter just flagged Trump again.
    LOL.
    The POTUS has no clothes.
    I'm LOVING how shady Twitter is being with him right now; FINALLY someone is reminding him that he's not able to control everything. I really hope it continues, a daily reminder he isn't god. Like the slave boy on the chariot as the hero enters Rome "you're only mortal, you're only mortal, you're only mortal"

    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Protests are fine. I can even understand fighting back against the police who are trying to disperse peaceful protests. But looting is not okay. How is looting a Target or other stores going to help/ How is setting fire to a pawn shop or auto parts store something that hurts a business owner, puts people out of work and hurts the community over all going to get justice for Floyd and his family?
    It's not about what is "helpful". This isn't coming from a place of organisation or logic or planning. It's anger. It doesn't have to "help". This doesn't justify the looting, but it's not about that. This is about hurt. Like Do the Right Thing. A man died. What does a ruined pizza shop matter compared to that?

    Quote Originally Posted by sammy_hansen View Post
    Just burn down all the police stations in the city I say. Then the cops will know what it feels like to be the victims of targeted, systematic abuse and oppression.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is terrible advice. I thought you said you have a very nuanced view of things...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    What were his good qualities, aside from arguably the most important actions of any prime minister?
    As in what good did he do outside of the office of prime minister? Or as in "besides the things a prime minister normal does, what else as prime minister did he do that went that extra mile"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Here's the Wikipedia definition of neoliberalism.
    "Neoliberalism" is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing state influence in the economy, especially through privatization and austerity.

    That lines up fairly closely to with what 'free market conservatives' claim to want - although I think that what we have now is really just people laying claim to that title, but want the government to provide a guaranteed income and freedom from any level of oversight (while simultaneously putting up expensive regulatory roadblocks to any potential new competition)
    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Even though we usually talk about liberalism and conservatism as diametric opposites, strictly speaking they don't have to be. Liberalism is basically in favor of free markets, free trade, free everything, whereas conservatism is in favor of traditional values and social hierarchies, but in the world of the 1980s, those at the top of the socioeconomic ladder also just so happened to be the ones that would benefit from free trade policies. Historically, liberalism fell out of favor in the early 20th century since both socialism on the left and fascism on the right favored greater government control of economic activity, and so neoliberalism sort of represented a revival of the free market policies of the 18th and 19th centuries.
    Huh. Am I... am I a neo-liberal????
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post

    To "end" riots you have to address the conditions that created the anger and frustration in the first place.
    THIS.

    You can't fix anything when you are not willing to address the issues at hand.

    At from what I have seen in my own city-it tends to be the side who is complaining that refuses to sit and talk and work out a solution. They only want to yell and be SEEN.


    That won't solve anything -- regardless of the actions of these officers, people need (trustworthy) police in society.

    And those police need to be overseen and kept in check by the public that they serve.
    THIS

    Those same folks screaming BLM and kill cops are going to be the SAME ones calling the cops when Pookie acts a fool.

    And guess what most cops don't have an issue with a check and balances. If they have nothing to hide-they don't care.

    Because many are willing to let you see what they go through in a day. Cops and the First 48 don't show all of it.


    Seriously, the lockdown protests weren't even a month ago, they featured white men with guns at various capitals.
    The QUESTIONS that need to be asked-how do those white guys get to act like that and still go home.

    While it takes 6 cops with guns drawn at a black boy who is complying and gets charged with evading arrest because he did not stop at a stop sign.



    Those are not protests those are riots-that will hurt the black community LATER on.

    You destroy your community and property like Target. What happens?

    Target packs up and LEAVES. You now have an empty building. So what happens next?

    "SOMEONE" starts buying up properties in black areas. It's not folks like Target.

    It's OTHERS-who put up 400K a month townhouses. Businesses that are not native to your state. Businesses with high prices on everything.

    Black folks get weeded out of those communities. So do the black councilman, school board member and even black school.

    How do I know? Because it's happening in West Dallas. It took weeding out the black community to get a new baseball field, houses, collegiate school, new school buildings and a comic book store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost;4989497It's not about what is "helpful". This isn't coming from a place of organisation or logic or planning. It's anger. It doesn't have to "help". This doesn't justify the looting, but it's not about that. This is about hurt. Like [I
    Do the Right Thing[/I]. A man died. What does a ruined pizza shop matter compared to that?
    A man dies, He didnt just die he was murdered by people who are supposed to protect the people. That is a horrible thing. But it is also horrible that several businesses of people who have had nothing to do with what happened where destroyed. Owners who now may have no way to provide for their families and pay their bills. A ruined shop matters a great deal to people who build their life into depend on that as a way to make a living.
    I am all for peaceful protests I have said that many times. But I do not agree with or condone looting and destruction of property owned by people who had nothing to do with what is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    A man dies, He didnt just die he was murdered by people who are supposed to protect the people. That is a horrible thing. But it is also horrible that several businesses of people who have had nothing to do with what happened where destroyed. Owners who now may have no way to provide for their families and pay their bills. A ruined shop matters a great deal to people who build their life into depend on that as a way to make a living.
    I am all for peaceful protests I have said that many times. But I do not agree with or condone looting and destruction of property owned by people who had nothing to do with what is going on.
    Not to justify either side of the equation but property can be replaced -- if anything, we have more than enough resources to do so.

    By investing in our cities and citizens instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthy and building "walls" on our borders.

    Lives can't be replaced.

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    The prolbem is and this has been talked about on here that the good cops are scared of the bad cops. A good cop goes against the others and reports bad behavior is labeled a snitch and forced out of the department or something.

    There has be a a checks and balance. We cant just let cops go on unchecked. Its not just up to the people to change this. The police need to stand up and do something. When a bad cop does something cops come out and say hey he is not like the rest of us, we dont do this kind of thing. maybe they dont do this kind of thing but they let it happen by not standing up to bad cops in the first place.
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