What meaningful change has come from all the riots America has seen over the years that justifies that kind of thing? The La riots were in 1992 28 years ago. The Ferguson riots were in 2014. And they were a few other then those. What did the riots, looting, and burning of homes and businesses really change? We are still talking about police racism, we are talking about another black man killed by a police officer.
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You're assuming looting and riots are always about "change" rather than humans openly expressing anger and frustration with the status quo.
It's a common assumption when one only applies said logic to certain groups and individuals.
People tried to "change" things at the ballot box with Obama.
And wound up with Trump.
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I know the feeling. All I can hope is that, by exposing the festering wounds to the light day, we might still have a chance to heal them and not simply cover them with a bandage and assume that all is good and fine with the world.
We still have a long way to go, but as long as Trump is in office, he'll be dumping Bleach and HCQ (metaphorically) on the social and physical wounds, making them worse and killing more people in the process.
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I get anger and frustration. But riots and looting just give the authorities the groups are speaking out against an excuse to clamp down harder. A few days of venting and feeling better because they stuck back against the status quo then more hatred directed their way because of what had happened. So there is more anger and the cycle starts all over again. It is foolish.
Its like those gun toting Alt right people at the capital with their guns. Look at us we are standing up to the status quo. Look at how great we are with our guns. But in the end it just makes sensible people hate them more.
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Then stop it at the source.
Stop cops from abusing and killing black innocents and "suspects" and stop enabling Republicans who suppress black voters so real change can be enacted.
Doing otherwise proves you don't really "get" the anger and frustration -- that you only pay lip service to it while maintaining the status quo.
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I agree with you. Vote the officials that put up with and encourage this kind of thing out. Vote Trump out. If a mayor of a city puts up with this kind of thing vote him out. The police commissioner and DA not doing anything protest, start a movement. I have no problem with peaceful protests and people working for change. People burning and looting. Idiots showing up at a capital building with guns waving. That is where I have a problem.
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Most people do.
But it's a worldwide and historical phenomenon -- and it won't stop until people feel their issues have been addressed.
Claiming you have a problem with it when the cause of the problem is still prominent is not a real solution.
It says a lot that the only time these issues seem to get attention is when they are captured on video.
Which basically makes it clear that for every one we see in full there are many others that go both unchecked and unreported.
Also -- those idiots showed up and waved their guns around and a lot of cities opened up a few weeks later.
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I'm LOVING how shady Twitter is being with him right now; FINALLY someone is reminding him that he's not able to control everything. I really hope it continues, a daily reminder he isn't god. Like the slave boy on the chariot as the hero enters Rome "you're only mortal, you're only mortal, you're only mortal"
It's not about what is "helpful". This isn't coming from a place of organisation or logic or planning. It's anger. It doesn't have to "help". This doesn't justify the looting, but it's not about that. This is about hurt. Like Do the Right Thing. A man died. What does a ruined pizza shop matter compared to that?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is terrible advice. I thought you said you have a very nuanced view of things...
As in what good did he do outside of the office of prime minister? Or as in "besides the things a prime minister normal does, what else as prime minister did he do that went that extra mile"?
Huh. Am I... am I a neo-liberal????
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THIS.
You can't fix anything when you are not willing to address the issues at hand.
At from what I have seen in my own city-it tends to be the side who is complaining that refuses to sit and talk and work out a solution. They only want to yell and be SEEN.
THISThat won't solve anything -- regardless of the actions of these officers, people need (trustworthy) police in society.
And those police need to be overseen and kept in check by the public that they serve.
Those same folks screaming BLM and kill cops are going to be the SAME ones calling the cops when Pookie acts a fool.
And guess what most cops don't have an issue with a check and balances. If they have nothing to hide-they don't care.
Because many are willing to let you see what they go through in a day. Cops and the First 48 don't show all of it.
The QUESTIONS that need to be asked-how do those white guys get to act like that and still go home.Seriously, the lockdown protests weren't even a month ago, they featured white men with guns at various capitals.
While it takes 6 cops with guns drawn at a black boy who is complying and gets charged with evading arrest because he did not stop at a stop sign.
Those are not protests those are riots-that will hurt the black community LATER on.
You destroy your community and property like Target. What happens?
Target packs up and LEAVES. You now have an empty building. So what happens next?
"SOMEONE" starts buying up properties in black areas. It's not folks like Target.
It's OTHERS-who put up 400K a month townhouses. Businesses that are not native to your state. Businesses with high prices on everything.
Black folks get weeded out of those communities. So do the black councilman, school board member and even black school.
How do I know? Because it's happening in West Dallas. It took weeding out the black community to get a new baseball field, houses, collegiate school, new school buildings and a comic book store.
A man dies, He didnt just die he was murdered by people who are supposed to protect the people. That is a horrible thing. But it is also horrible that several businesses of people who have had nothing to do with what happened where destroyed. Owners who now may have no way to provide for their families and pay their bills. A ruined shop matters a great deal to people who build their life into depend on that as a way to make a living.Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost;4989497It's not about what is "helpful". This isn't coming from a place of organisation or logic or planning. It's anger. It doesn't have to "help". This doesn't justify the looting, but it's not about that. This is about hurt. Like [I
I am all for peaceful protests I have said that many times. But I do not agree with or condone looting and destruction of property owned by people who had nothing to do with what is going on.
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Not to justify either side of the equation but property can be replaced -- if anything, we have more than enough resources to do so.
By investing in our cities and citizens instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthy and building "walls" on our borders.
Lives can't be replaced.
The prolbem is and this has been talked about on here that the good cops are scared of the bad cops. A good cop goes against the others and reports bad behavior is labeled a snitch and forced out of the department or something.
There has be a a checks and balance. We cant just let cops go on unchecked. Its not just up to the people to change this. The police need to stand up and do something. When a bad cop does something cops come out and say hey he is not like the rest of us, we dont do this kind of thing. maybe they dont do this kind of thing but they let it happen by not standing up to bad cops in the first place.
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