All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[AnakinFlair]

Who ever makes a movie about this insurrection, they better not let Michael Bay direct.

Are you kidding? Only Michael Bay could make a movie as stupid as this.

[Kirby101]

Antifa is so powerful that they got hundreds of Trump supporters to storm the Capitol with just two or three instigators in the crowd.
More powerful than the President, since they say his speech inciting them didn't start anything.

Does Antifa have Killgrave the Purple Man?

[SuperiorIronman]

More like too late.

Here's a question: Do you think, given Trump's presidency, that the office should require prior time spent serving in public office or should we continue to allow literally anyone born in the US to run?

In order to serve the Presidency a President should have served at least four years in state or federal offices or 8 years in local offices and been in good standing. It is the highest form of office in the country and it has become abundantly clear that we can no longer have someone who is for the lack of a better term; taken off the street. Whoever shall hold office needs to have some idea of what they are doing and as such need to have a background in politics. This way the public not only knows what they're in for but indicate to those they may potentially be serving with how they act in office.

Donald Trump was a costly mistake for America and it has done nothing but brought shame and death to this nation. To avoid this happening in the future it is imperative that this be a requirement because if anything the Trump's have proved that just any schmuck can't run the country, there needs experience.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Twitter has permanently suspended Trump’s account.



Better late than never, I guess...

Tonight I spice my mead with trump's tears.

[AnakinFlair]

What other terrible firsts could he possibly unlock at this point? Is not going to his successor's inauguration a first too?

No, actually. Andrew Johnson didn't go to Ulysses S Grant's inauguration.

[babyblob]

At this point it is clear a second impeachment will fail. There is no point in doing it to make a statement. What would that gain. This man instigated an uprising against the government. And both citizens and his own party defend him. What more could be said about this man that would change people's mind? Who would all the sudden say well I can forgive covid, and a coup, but since he was impeached twice that is the kicker.

Focus on things that can make a difference like starting a commission as to just who did and said what to help Trump pull this off and go after those people hard.

[DrNewGod]

What other terrible firsts could he possibly unlock at this point? Is not going to his successor's inauguration a first too?

Nope. John Adams basically snuck outta town in the dark.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

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Gold. Coup Klux Klan is one of those things where you go, "Aww...why didn't I think of that" and another going, "How could I miss it all these years?"

Antifa is so powerful that they got hundreds of Trump supporters to storm the Capitol with just two or three instigators in the crowd.
More powerful than the President, since they say his speech inciting them didn't start anything.

Does Antifa have Killgrave the Purple Man?

If Antifa is so powerful why do we not live in the Fully Automated Luxury Space Gay Communism that people on FB and twitter talk about so much (and which in comics is embodied by Krakoa in the X-Men titles)?

It is the highest form of office in the country and it has become abundantly clear that we can no longer have someone who is for the lack of a better term; taken off the street.

I don't know if we can describe Trump as "taken off the street", he belongs to the ruling class of America. However dodgy his finances were he was a part of a class that included access and social capital and he donated to the campaigns of both parties for decades. More than that Donald Trump was an immensely famous man for over three decades, a subject of parody and homage, making many cameo appearances in American entertainment. So he was certainly a product of the media-entertainment industrial complex.

Donald Trump was a costly mistake for America and it has done nothing but brought shame and death to this nation. To avoid this happening in the future it is imperative that this be a requirement because if anything the Trump's have proved that just any schmuck can't run the country, there needs experience.

Trump's policies are in continuum to right-wing policies and actions done by many local, state, and federal officials for decades -- Reagan was "competent!Trump" (see the showtime series on air), you have the former Sheriff of AZ Arpaio, Jeff Sessions, and so many others. Trump did bring "shame and death to America" no doubt, but is the issue his policies or his conduct and behavior? I think the issues are him giving voice to a prevalent strain of white nationalism.

The thing about Trump is that the Republican party has become truly unpopular unable to generate a successful Presidency since Reagan's second term. W. was a failure, HW was a one-termer, so they have struggled to field a national candidate and so a national platform. That made them desperate for an outsider who could magnify their unpopular policies more than their current politicians want to, the ones like Romney want the party to be more moderate than it is currently and that's too much for their base.

So the issue is politics not personality primarily.

[MajorHoy]

At this point it is clear a second impeachment will fail. There is no point in doing it to make a statement. What would that gain. This man instigated an uprising against the government. And both citizens and his own party defend him. What more could be said about this man that would change people's mind? Who would all the sudden say well I can forgive covid, and a coup, but since he was impeached twice that is the kicker.

Focus on things that can make a difference like starting a commission as to just who did and said what to help Trump pull this off and go after those people hard.

And just make sure Trump is kept away from sharp objects and buttons.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

At this point it is clear a second impeachment will fail. There is no point in doing it to make a statement. What would that gain. This man instigated an uprising against the government. And both citizens and his own party defend him. What more could be said about this man that would change people's mind?

Making a statement is still something and still valuable. A twice-impeached President will be a dark stain attached to him forever and the second impeachment will comemorate Trump's involvement in this terrorist insurrection specifically.

The important thing is that the insurrection by a sitting President to specifically halt and overturn elections can NEVER be done again by ANY candidate of ANY party in future. Even if it doesn't go all the way, there must be some reaction specifically to highlight and monumentalize this evil action in particular.

Trump directing a coup didn't kill as many people as his handling of COVID but it is an action of corresponding scale nonetheless.

To quote the statesman of the American Left:

"Some people ask: Why would you impeach and convict a president who has only a few days left in office? The answer: Precedent. It must be made clear that no president, now or in the future, can lead an insurrection against the U.S. government."
-- BERNIE SANDERS
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...25769242140675

[Robotman]

At this point it is clear a second impeachment will fail. There is no point in doing it to make a statement. What would that gain. This man instigated an uprising against the government. And both citizens and his own party defend him. What more could be said about this man that would change people's mind? Who would all the sudden say well I can forgive covid, and a coup, but since he was impeached twice that is the kicker.

Focus on things that can make a difference like starting a commission as to just who did and said what to help Trump pull this off and go after those people hard.

It could help a lot of Democrats who will be fighting to keep their seats come 2022. They could proudly say they at least attempted to remove Trump after his failed coup. It could look really bad down the road for Republicans to have to admit they did not want to remove the man who tried to destroy the country's democracy. Sure it will fall on deaf ears with Republican voters, but it could sway undecides and people who normally wouldn't come out to vote.

[babyblob]

Making a statement is still something and still valuable. A twice-impeached President will be a dark stain attached to him forever and the second impeachment will comemorate Trump's involvement in this terrorist insurrection specifically.

The important thing is that the insurrection by a sitting President to specifically halt and overturn elections can NEVER be done again by ANY candidate of ANY party in future. Even if it doesn't go all the way, there must be some reaction specifically to highlight and monumentalize this evil action in particular.

Trump directing a coup didn't kill as many people as his handling of COVID but it is an action of corresponding scale nonetheless.

To quote the statesman of the American Left:

"Some people ask: Why would you impeach and convict a president who has only a few days left in office? The answer: Precedent. It must be made clear that no president, now or in the future, can lead an insurrection against the U.S. government."
-- BERNIE SANDERS
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...25769242140675

A pointless impeachment is not a bigger statement then what he did on the 6th. It will not be a bigger stain then he wears now being a man who urged his followers to storm the capital. An investigation a full investigation Finding out who helped him, getting them to turn on him, getting them on record that he ordered them to stand down, or help with this, that will hurt him because there will be evidence to throw him in prison for the rest of his worthless life. Evidence by people testifying against him when they are revealed by a commission, voice recordings I am sure are out there, and I am sure there is something written. Once he and his lackeys are in jail for this that will send a bigger statement then a symbolic impeachment.

I get the needing to do something, or putting the Republicans on record. but so many of them have publicly spoken out about not impeaching him that they are on record.

[kidfresh512]

I haven't seen some of this video Chris Hayes is showing on MSnbc of the assault. I mean this is just horrific. The officer screaming in pain as he is being crushed my god.

I think you just have to impeach. They are chanting about coming for Pelosi and hunting down Pence. You can't get over trump sent them there. And Ben Sasse says he was told trump was happy and didn't get why aides weren't excited.

You cannot just wait it out. It's not political. You have to say you don't get to get away with this. And if the gop refuse to hold him accountable still then they are on record

[worstblogever]

Who ever makes a movie about this insurrection, they better not let Michael Bay direct.

No no. Honestly, you want Adam McKay. He can discuss idiocy in our leadership in films like Vice, or document failures in our country with The Big Short... but he also can write characters as stupid as Ron Burgundy and Brick Tamland.

1/6 was like those three movies in a crockpot.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

A pointless impeachment is not a bigger statement then what he did on the 6th.

It's bigger than doing nothing. And the Dems doing nothing would be worse.

I get the needing to do something, or putting the Republicans on record. but so many of them have publicly spoken out about not impeaching him that they are on record.

Saying it publicly will be different than having them vote on it and on their record.

Just because you aren't going to get the outcome you want (karmic reckoning of Trump) doesn't mean you should pursue no outcome. Politics isn't Everything or Nothing.