Are we being too hard on those "poor working class volk" who stormed the Capitol to end the tyranny of the "ruling class"?
Trump era shows:
-there are no secure checks & balances in govt
-the future of free & fair elections is under increasing threat
-police & military can’t be relied on to protect govt b/c of close affiliation w fascist movement
Folks saying otherwise aren’t paying attention
I don't think impeachment precludes other stuff happening to him.
He's banned from twitter for good, which means that any future Presidential run is going to be harder without the free publicity/marketing/advertising his use of the platform has given him all these years. He will have to spend money and invest in traditional media for his campaign which is going to be real knife to a lightsaber duel in politics these days. FB and Instagram have permabanned him too.
Parler is a super-fringe thing and no way the corporate oligarchs behind the Republican party will back a Parler-famous candidate, unless Parler somehow attracts a mainstream audience which is unlikely.
Obviously after Jan 20 he's going to be facing criminal charges and a pardon won't save him from all of that since he can be tried by states and believe me there are lawyers out for blood for this.
Will Trump get the justice and perfect karmic retribution for all he did in his time of office? Nobody can know for sure. But that doesn't mean you don't try, nor will it mean that you won't get some kind of justice out of this.
No, BB, I must disagree. It might distract from other, more useful work, but as others have said, it will require legislators to inescapably declare a side. That may become important when investigations get to the bottom of 1/6's travesty. Even if doesn't dislodge the seditionists, it may limit their freedom of action in the next two years.
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I think people need to understand the scale of what just happened.
Trump has done many awful things in his entire life, and several awful things in this Presidency. He's impeachable several times over, make no mistake.
However if I have to choose the two worst things he has done in this Presidency, and both are equal in how exceptionally evil and toxic it is in American history and indeed world history over the last 7 decades:
-- Lying about COVID-19 and sabotaging it for his nihilistic campaigning.
-- The Insurrection of January 6 where he incited a coup to stop the certification of the election which he lost, essentially sanctioning the murder of every elected federal official in America including his own VP, Mike Pence. Trump tried to murder everyone in Capitol Hill.
Those two are uniquely evil and exceptional over and above everything he has done.
January 6 ranks among the worst things that has ever happened to America, as much of a stain as 9/11 was, as much as JFK's assassination was, Lincoln's assassination, MLK's assassination, Watergate, the Trail of Tears. Five people died, that's more than the people killed at JFK's assassination (which led to the deaths of JFK, Officer Tippet, both at Oswald's hands, and then Oswald and Ruby). More than the numbers who died at Watergate (which was bloodless).
January 6 demands a reproof, demands accountability, and demands an political action to ensure that this stain remains permanent.
When kids are asked in quizzes name the President who was impeached twice? It should be a one syllable response.
The revolution will arrive in the limousine on red carpet straight from the airport to the barricade to the hotel, comrade.
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What Wildling said. Those present were upper-class white racists, a smattering of extremist legislators from around the country, and literal Neo-Nazis and Neo-Confederates.
F*** all those people. If you had actual working class people there, they might have done something rather than just wandered in the building for selfies.
But you didn't. You had stupid rich people, dumbs*** racists, and the only ones that scared me were the paramilitary guys using the dumb ones as cover for something far more planned, and far more sinister. But that last group of terrorists didn't consider that the people they wanted to kidnap/kill would be whisked into secure locations by Capitol Police and Secret Service.
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These people are garbage. They will lie and back track even if they are on record. They will find some way to explain it away. Do the impeachment that is fine and I will support it. But put more focus on supporting a full investigation and holding these people accountable and punish them.
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