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    You're outnumbered," one of the terrorists says to a Capitol Police officer. "There's a fucking million of us out there and we are listening to Trump -- your boss."
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    On the Covid relief package:

    https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/st...112193/photo/1

    Seems that Bernie likes it. How about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    There's supposedly a limit on pardon powers that a president can't pardon someone of a crime he himself participates in.

    He might not be able to pardon these insurrectionists, even if he wants to.

    Doesn't mean he isn't going to try it, though.
    I feel the unredacted Muller Report would show Trump participated in the crimes of Manafort, Stone and Flynn, etc... Nice being able t classify the info about your own crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    I don't think it's really that difficult to piece together - if you control some type of valuable resource then you need to be able to defend your territory so that others will have to buy it from you instead of just coming in and taking it, but the same weapons that let you defend your own turf also give you the means to attack others and potentially steal their stuff, and so the entirety of human history has proceeded from there. Trade and empire building are inextricably linked, and especially for a nation like America that may be rich in natural resources but consumes even more, continued prosperity absolutely does hinge on leveraging our military might to secure access to resources and to force favorable terms of trade, to believe otherwise would be extremely naive.
    Posing trade's only benefit as imperialism is also extremely naive, if not tactical demagoguery.

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    Boebert needs to go

    COLORADO, USA — In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other House leaders, dozens of Colorado elected officials in Colorado's 3rd Congressional District expressed their "condemnation of Representative Lauren Boebert based on her association with the right wing groups that supported the insurrection of the Capitol Building," and asked for an investigation into the Rifle Republican's actions.

    The letter, first obtained by Steamboat Pilot and Today, says "there is deep concern about her actions leading up to and during the protests that turned into a violent and deadly mob."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus Arkham View Post
    This video is one of the oddest and creepiest yet.

    On one hand these Putschists are random and stupid and dopey (that hilarious bit where they struggle for some minutes to understand that Cruz's objection to electoral counting is a good or a bad thing), on another hand they have tactical skills and knowledge, although obviously lacking in discipline. Like Larry Randall Brock Jr, the texas aviation guy who New Yorker Profiled talks about "Information Operation" but the rest are clearly using the Senate room to pose.

    The behavior of the police seems ambiguous...they are way too mild and calm dealing with randos invading as the officer in the senate puts it, "the sacredest place". I guess you can factor in self-preservation but also a kind of ingrained element that allows them to treat white suspects differently from BLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I feel the unredacted Muller Report would show Trump participated in the crimes of Manafort, Stone and Flynn, etc... Nice being able t classify the info about your own crimes.
    Wouldn't that information have come out by now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Wouldn't that information have come out by now?
    not if it's been deemed classified or sealed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Wouldn't that information have come out by now?
    It has been completely redacted by Barr and not even the Congress has been able to see the full report.

    Lead prosecutor Andrew Weisman thought they were prevented from going after Trump when they found his connections to the crimes.

    I hope Garland releases a more open version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    It has been completely redacted by Barr and not even the Congress has been able to see the full report.

    Lead prosecutor Andrew Weisman thought they were prevented from going after Trump when they found his connections to the crimes.

    I hope Garland releases a more open version.
    I guess all the Republicans who have scoffed at Trump's wrongdoing and pretended Democrats were "obsessing over nothing" might have to eat some crow should something come out of it. And also, watch both their and Trump's approval ratings drop for defending him in lockstep every step of the way when he was a treasonous shite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    In retrospect, I think Bill Clinton should have resigned for the sake of the party. He should have resigned and had Al Gore be President. If Gore had been presiding incumbent (and if he didn't do Ford's asinine mistake of pardoning Nixon), he might have prevailed in 1999.

    Obviously Newt Gingrich's partisan impeachment was gross, absurd, and a blatant trampling of constitutional norms for the sake of mudslinging but...Clinton's argument and defense against that didn't work. To put it simply, on that front he really should have taken a "when they go low, you go high" approach. Clinton used his power to have sex with a junior colleague and an intern, he publicly cheated on his wife, his first lady who was also an aspiring politican (and to be honest, HRC would have had a better career had she divorced Bill)...and while the moral clause is lame and silly and so on, he really should have fallen on the sword for the sake of the party.

    Part of the reason why 1999 was so close was that Gore and Lieberman ran a very moderate centrist campaign that in the eyes of undecided and independent didn't seem all that different from W.'s "compassionate conservatism". Ralph Nader mounted his sabotaging third party campaign of course...but it should never have been that decisive to start with. The Dems had a strong economy, a surplus and Bill Clinton's scandal led to need on Gore's part to not tout the achievements in the campaign and that tanked him. If he was the actual President for a resigned Bill, he could have ran on that message and won.

    Bill Clinton is I think a false dawn for the Democrats. He and his coterie in the party had this unearned reputation as this great figure and so on for bringing the Dems back into the WH in the '90s and that's a considerable achievement no doubt about it, but Clinton expected the Dem party to bend to him, and he put himself over party. And now it's clear that Obama is the transformational president, the defining President for the last 20 years in terms of policy, and it was Obama's VP who got to be President, rather than Clinton's VP and his wife. 2020 is the consolidation of the Dems as the Party of Obama, and it's no longer the party of Clinton.
    I'm not sure HRC would have a better career if she divorced Bill.

    She was a Senator, Secretary of State and presidential nominee. The only step up is President, but most politicians don't reach that level.

    The emphasis on Bill Clinton sleeping with a junior colleague/ intern is more of a post #metoo interpretation. I've seen the argument that this is why Clinton should have been pushed out, but I don't think it would have worked in the 90s. It's based on a modern understanding.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...insky-resigned

    It is worth noting that Clinton wasn't impeached for having an affair. The charges were perjury to a grand jury, and obstruction of justice.



    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    The ability to trade profitably depends on having enough bargaining leverage to negotiate favorable terms, it didn't really take long for most tribal peoples to figure out that you could get a lot more bang for your buck if you showed up with some armed dudes and the development of organized states and empires proceeded from there. Of course nowadays we can tell ourselves that countries can trade peacefully because we have a rules-based international order that guarantees safety and fair terms for everyone involved, of course it just so happens that we wrote the rules on which the order is based...

    Look, the point of all this is not to say that America is a uniquely bad actor on the world stage, but just to point out that a lot of things we take for granted come about because we leverage our military and economic power to make it so, and that if we were to stop doing that, we would be facing the same kind of uphill climb that the countries we routinely mock as shitholes do. Do you really think that the reason that America is so much better off than Haiti is that we have free speech? If it were so easy to simply embrace American values and become modern and prosperous, without having to do any of that nasty violent business, why don't more countries just do that?
    The beauty of trade is that it can be profitable without one side getting favorable terms. Both sides can win by getting what they need.


    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Yeah the House is a real problem now. Also the election results pretty much guaranteed further gerrymandering, so you are going to keep getting more fringe Republican districts and have these dopes. The Senate is far less radical because the whole state votes.
    It's not gerrymandering as much as it is smaller districts being more homogenous.

    A district in Rural Texas is going to be pretty conservative, and we're going to have rural districts as long as districts are meant to be geographically contiguous.
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    So apparently there is gonna be a MAGA Western Movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I feel the unredacted Muller Report would show Trump participated in the crimes of Manafort, Stone and Flynn, etc... Nice being able t classify the info about your own crimes.
    This is as close as it has gotten so far as I can tell

    What’s New in the Unredacted Mueller Report? - July 2, 2020

    And most recently, BuzzFeed News and the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) successfully sued for the release of a version of the Mueller report with many fewer redactions—uncovering new text written by Mueller’s office that has been hidden for the past year.

    So what fresh material is available in the new, improved, less-redacted Mueller report?
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    worth nothing that Rep Boebert has had 2 of her staff resign since Friday

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