It's a positive that a majority of Trump supporters don't want Trump to run again.
As for the idea that so many of them want someone with his views, I suspect that's more voters projecting their own views onto Trump, given how little he believes, and how many contradictory statements he has made.
Sincerely,
Thomas Mets
You're not the one who I was talking about having bad faith. You don't have to a citizen of a nation to criticise its actions.
Yes, it is wrong when we do it, and we shouldn't be silent when others do it, too. Of course it's wroth discussing but when it's in good faith - the problem was the poster you were responding to didn't hate the tactics it was simply a means to an end to attack America. That's why it was in bad faith. Because if your going to compare America and China's bad actions condemn them both don't let the other get away with it as though they never did anything bad.And while I wouldn't assume that your response is necessarily a deflection or "What-about"-ism, I'd point out that it really doesn't diminish the bad done by America to point out that others are bad actors as well. It's still wrong when we do it. And we do do it, all of the time. Almost everywhere in the world where there's opportunity. And when you're, again, the world's largest economic and military power that's something worth discussing.
You're right that Americans should be more humble, but this is going in the complete other direction where the only response is shame. It's not like American hasn't produced many good things and people. Martin Luthor King, Muhammad Ali, Jack Kirby, Siegel and Shuster, Rage against the machine, Harriet Tubman, John Lewis, Stephen Spielberg - all American.Originally Posted by Revolutionary Jack
No country is perfect, in fact many have just as twisted history and exploit industries as Hollywood. Have some pride in your country, America's not special in doing horrible things to its citizens or indigenous peoples.
"How does the Green Goblin have anything to do with Herpes?" - The Dying Detective
Hillary was right!
This isn't about the better country or the better people. The thing is that just as it's unfair and ridiculous to demonize America and give China and Russia and others a pass, that doesn't mean you rally to the flag of American exceptionalism or think of America as the moral right.
Nobody is "better", that's the point. If you accept that you can be a little more compassionate and friendly, and that might actually do a lot more to spread democracy than going all gung-ho about how "you'd all be subjects to <Insert X here> without Uncle Sam" when in reality people were subject to and are subject to Pinochet, Franco, Muhammad bin Salman, Mao Zedong, Chiang Kai Shek, Xi Jinping with Uncle Sam.
Art forms that arise in democratic societies and are touted as products of such, should be judged on a higher standard, no? Sure art patronized by aristocrats in European Kingdoms had exploitation too, but if you see something similar in a democratic society and then it's promoted as such, then that's what we call hypocrisy.What art form has avoided exploitation?
Besides stuff like comics, Hollywood, Jazz were dismissed as popular junk until people from other countries (the English and the French) started touting it. So it's a bit hypocritical to claim it while ignoring the actual history and context of the reason why people treat this as serious products of American culture.
So? Does America want a cookie for that?The United States was important as the first large republic since ancient times.
Especially since it practiced a system of slavery that in a significant sense, was far worse than in Ancient Rome and Greece, where slaves wasn't based on race, and slaves had a path to freedom and citizenship, and eventually social mobility in more than a few cases unlike Antebellum America.
While denying credit of course and giving an impression or lie that somehow this was all part of the plan from the Declaration of Independence. I don't think you can ignore the consequences of American exceptionalism and arrogance. The response to the happenings is last week is humility and contrition, and not reiterating stuff like this.Other countries built on that idea, and we adopted some of the things they did well.
Look, people need to rid themselves of the idea of America as the protagonist of reality, of the world, and even Democracy itself. If we were to do Democracy as a movie, America would be Bran from GAME OF THRONES...you know the cool, interesting, charismatic, and intriguing characters do all kinds of cool stuff and make things happen, move and shake on the ground, and then at the end some rich poser comes and takes credit for everything.
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"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
That was my second thought. My first thought was that Dean Cain probably found some work, and that was before I looked at the cast list.
He got that role on Supergirl, but was quickly killed off (though I think that was more because they wanted Supergirl to face off with Terri Hatcher's character than anything to do with his politics). And lest we forget, Dean Cain also had a recurring role on Supergirl... that was promptly ignored after season 2, and who's character was killed off off screen finally just last year.
Yesterday I watched a program about an US Inaugural Gala…
Here is a footage about a Republican lady singing for a Democrat president:
“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
It doesn't seem hypocritical to praise jazz and comic books as products of the United States if someone believes that these are ultimately positive contributions to the world. Granted, Kirby101's comment was tongue in cheek and you missed that.
I certainly disagree with the idea that no country is better. There should be metrics by which we can compare nations. Countries being flawed doesn't mean that all flaws are equal, or that every country's accomplishments are on the same level.
America's status as the first republic is relevant if it's compared to later nations, which did some important things first, but not the most important.
Sincerely,
Thomas Mets