All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[DrNewGod]

This could be bad. The more extreme registered GOP become, the more likely they will nominated more extremists like Taylor Green to office. And there are many places that the person with the R gets the vote no matter what, because "socialism" or guns or abortion. There are many independents who still only vote for Republicans.

The more Marjorie Taylor Greenes there are in office, the more quickly that people can finally rid themselves of this silly notion of trying to negotiate or compromise with the Republicans. If the Democrats were smart they'd be surreptitiously funding as many people like her for primary challenges in key swing districts as possible.

That would backfire. The the more extreme GOP primary voters would give them the nomination. Then all the people who just vote for the "R" and all the gerrymandered districts would vote them in. Do you want a GOP lead Congress controlled by Taylor Greene and Boebert?
Just remember , though Trump lost, the GOP gained in the House with these pro-Trump Q candidates.

I'm with Kirby on this one. The idea that non-crazy/non-facists defecting to the Dems from the GOP, or even holding their noses long enough to vote for the Dems against the crazy/facists is one step off delusional.

I don't know that it will get as bad as Kirby suggests, but I don't rule the threat out, and I absolutely don't think it a good thing.

[zinderel]

So a guy who has lived his entire life seeking that gay people be treated like pariahs has become one himself?

Kind of poetic, really.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving Red Grant mannequin.

[BeastieRunner]

That would backfire. The the more extreme GOP primary voters would give them the nomination. Then all the people who just vote for the "R" and all the gerrymandered districts would vote them in. Do you want a GOP lead Congress controlled by Taylor Greene and Boebert?
Just remember , though Trump lost, the GOP gained in the House with these pro-Trump Q candidates.

There are people that say the advent of the Green Party and Nader ended up hurting the Dems up until Obama was elected.

I could see the same argument being made here for the Rs.

[Kirby101]

There are people that say the advent of the Green Party and Nader ended up hurting the Dems up until Obama was elected.

I could see the same argument being made here for the Rs.

Only if there is a new rightwing-Q-Trump Party. I don't see that happening.

Nader was a big reason Gore didn't win Florida, and the Greens hurt Hillary in Wisconsin.

[zinderel]

The martyrdom of Mike Pence

As vice-president, he abased himself and his office. In reward, Donald Trump sent a mob to kill him. Now, as another impeachment trial looms, he is cast out from Republican ranks. After reading that piece, I almost felt sorry for Pence and what he went through as Trump's sidekick. ALMOST.

Pence was not blind about Trump. Karen Pence confided to one of his aides: “We knew we were signing up for something unique. We knew there would be times he’d say and do things we’d never do. We understood that … Obviously, it’s disappointing, but it doesn’t change the mission.”

This passage right here is chilling. This is an ostensibly 'Christian' woman admitting that standing side by side with the likes of Trump was necessary for the mission...

What mission? Why, taking over America for Jesus, whether America likes it or not. This is Dominionism's end goal. This is what white nationalist churches and prosperity gospel televangelists and the GOP have been working towards for 40+ years, and in Trump, they ALMOST got it. All they had to do was publicly destroy any last vestige of their masks of piousness...and any lingering bits of the message of Christ that might have clung, unbidden, to their professions of following a 'Christian' faith that resembles nothing that Jesus taught.

After all, I'm QUITE certain that Jesus never suggested that his apostles should go team up with the opposition in order to trick everyone into following Him...

[babyblob]

Shit, Democrats should stop negotiating with Qpublicans RIGHT NOW. Don't forget, a lot of the bastards who supported Trump's big lie about the election having been stolen from him are still in Congress, and they're all too ready to give Trump a get out of impeachment free card after the trial starts tomorrow. Holding your hand out to a rabid dog only results in getting bitten, lord knows Biden saw enough of that after eight years of watching Barack Obama being mauled by the assholes in the GQP.

They very much should I agree with this. The problem is Biden wants to be seen as the grand unite. The man who brings American together. Which is great and all. If the other side wants to work with you. The GOP has said over and over they will not vote for Bidens Covid package. The Senate passed Reconciliation to go it alone but Biden is hesitant to use it because he wants to keep working with the GOP. Didnt he drop the 15 buck minimum wage to make the GOP happy? And now ther is about to be a trial that will end in Trump getting off again so it will be even longer for a vote on the Covid bill. so it kind of seems that in Biden's attempt to work with the GOP and be the grand uniter he is still letting the GOP light weight call the shots.

Im not really worried for the bill for myself. I was able to pay off a lot of my dads back doctors bills and other bills with the last bill. But there are a lot of people who really need it to pass. So he needs to just pull the trigger on going it alone instead of every day saying how badly it is needed then wasting time trying to bring the GOP to the table.

[babyblob]

I also find their objection over direct payments for people making over a certain amount laughable. They give mutli Million dollar bailouts to hedge funds and wall street. Huge tax breaks for the very rich. Yet a check for a few hundred bucks to some one making over a hundred grand gets them hot and bothered? do these people need it? Maybe not. But does a billionaire need those tax breaks? Nope.

Guess you need to be a multi Millionaire to get on the GOP free money train.

[worstblogever]

U.S. Rep. Ron Wright dies weeks after testing positive for coronavirus

The same guy, on Twitter 4 days ago, downplaying the threat of Covid-19 to our children and blaming Democrats for not wanting to put them at risk:

"Democrats are choosing teachers unions and special interests over the well-being of our students.

The CDC says schools can safely re-open if proper precautions are taken.

What are we waiting for?"

Top response to the now late Rep. Wright's post from 4 days ago:

"so this man was on his deathbed in a hospital and his staffers were pushing covid hoax bullshit while hiding his hospital admission

now he's dead, from covid

republicans"

https://twitter.com/djfoxxtrott/stat...10722210226177

[Mister Mets]

I wanted to run a policy idea by you guys, and I wanted to know what your thoughts are. Should part-time state legislators and members of major city councils/ local legislatures have to work two weeks of the year in some kind of public service capacity?

Some could be substitute teachers, but others can work in a field that matches their prior experience (public defender, legal assistant, emergency room admissions, etc.) They could be compensated for this. Is there any reason this would be a bad idea?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

The same guy, on Twitter 4 days ago, downplaying the threat of Covid-19 to our children and blaming Democrats for not wanting to put them at risk:



Top response to the now late Rep. Wright's post from 4 days ago:



https://twitter.com/djfoxxtrott/stat...10722210226177

In Imperial Prussia leading up to World War 1, they had a warrior-mentality variously called "kadavergehorsam" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kadavergehorsam) literally translated as "cadaverous obedience" i.e. officers were expected to be loyal to the state up to and beyond death, even their corpse would obey, and they would follow orders unthinkingly. That was used to describe Prussian militarism though of course it had continuity to the more proverbial Eichmann-esque banality of evil.

You see this in the GOP today, even on the deathbed, even when they are dying of COVID-19, no doubts, no redemption, no deathbed recantations...even unto death their corpse will obey.

[PwrdOn]

In Imperial Prussia leading up to World War 1, they had a warrior-mentality variously called "kadavergehorsam" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kadavergehorsam) literally translated as "cadaverous obedience" i.e. officers were expected to be loyal to the state up to and beyond death, even their corpse would obey, and they would follow orders unthinkingly. That was used to describe Prussian militarism though of course it had continuity to the more proverbial Eichmann-esque banality of evil.

You see this in the GOP today, even on the deathbed, even when they are dying of COVID-19, no doubts, no redemption, no deathbed recantations...even unto death their corpse will obey.

At least Imperial Germany had universal healthcare.

[BeastieRunner]

I wanted to run a policy idea by you guys, and I wanted to know what your thoughts are. Should part-time state legislators and members of major city councils/ local legislatures have to work two weeks of the year in some kind of public service capacity?

Some could be substitute teachers, but others can work in a field that matches their prior experience (public defender, legal assistant, emergency room admissions, etc.) They could be compensated for this. Is there any reason this would be a bad idea?

Yes AND ... everyone should have to serve 2-4 years. AmeriCorps, Peace Corps, military, etc. and then get the same benefits that current veterans get. You can opt out but you lose public benefits.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

At least Imperial Germany had universal healthcare.

Say what you want about Bismarck, dude had an ethos.

[Tami]

I wanted to run a policy idea by you guys, and I wanted to know what your thoughts are. Should part-time state legislators and members of major city councils/ local legislatures have to work two weeks of the year in some kind of public service capacity?

Some could be substitute teachers, but others can work in a field that matches their prior experience (public defender, legal assistant, emergency room admissions, etc.) They could be compensated for this. Is there any reason this would be a bad idea?

Many of these people already have jobs, I know that is the way it is in my town. Even the Mayor has a full time job. Adding onto that additional volunteer work wouldn't be fair to them. Being a member of the Town government is already public service, it's not like most of them are earning enough to live off of by doing it.

I think that, if they want to do it, nothing should stop them. But if they have to work, to earn an actual living, to support their family, then forcing them to do volunteer work on top of what they are doing doesn't make sense.

[babyblob]

Hre is a small rant. Not so much a rant but something that annoys me.

Every dem law maker talk about how Covid relief if very much needed because people are hurting so bad. Yet they also say the Impeachment of Trump is a number one goal.

Now I am not saying Trump should not be impeached so dont come at me like that. i am saying Covid bill should come first. The upcoming Senate Trial of a man no longer in office when there is a 99.9 percent chance he gets off any way will not make one bit of difference in the lives of Americans. But The Covid bill will help a lot of people and passing that will get things started. So why not pass that first if it is so important and Americans need as much help ASAP as the law makers claim. What does it matter if they have the trial next week and spend this week getting help to the people who need it. Hold the trial, I am all for that. Put Trump and his cronies to the coals. But waiting a week or so will not change anything on what will happen with the trial. Just my two cents.