All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[numberthirty]

Sure 30, they knew just as much last March as they knew in September, so "Each" equally messed up. And obviously from how the charts show the death rates, "Each" changed their policy to combat COVID.
All the same, both sides, sure.

Again, that each is a disaster is about as plain as I can make that.

Nothing was said about the degree.

Which was intentional.

Politely, you are reading things in that are not there.

[Kirby101]

Politely, what I have pointed out just is not complicated.

Would a more reasonable approach still have hit a brick wall?

Absolutely possible, and I have never said that a better approach would have been a simple and uncomplicated undertaking.

That said, everyone and their brother knew that the elderly were at a very serious risk very early last year.

That aspect of it simply was not even a little bit complicated.

As for that it might seem dismissive?

I haven't(and would not...) imply that.

Doesn't change the really basic reality that the risk the elderly were at was not some unknown.

So all the elderly should have been put on the Comfort, or something? Kept in the hospitals? Move everyone around so there were COVID Nursing Homes and NonCOVID Nursing homes?

You apparently have no idea how stressed the entire medical system was then.

[numberthirty]

So all the elderly should have been put on the Comfort, or something? Kept in the hospitals? Move everyone around so there were COVID Nursing Homes and NonCOVID Nursing homes?

You apparently have no idea how stressed the entire medical system was then.

Tend to doubt that "All..." would have been possible.

That said, yes. Keeping a large group there instead of putting them back into nursing homes would have been a far more sensible approach.

As to not knowing how stressed the medical system was?

Was it so stressed that the ship in question treated thousands?

If not?

That the system was stressed is a true but not particularly relevant reality. There was clearly the beds to isolate some of those elderly on a ship instead of them being in nursing homes.

[Tami]

Tend to doubt that "All..." would have been possible.

That said, yes. Keeping a large group there instead of putting them back into nursing homes would have been a far more sensible approach.

As to not knowing how stressed the medical system was?

Was it so stressed that the ship in question treated thousands?

If not?

That the system was stressed is a true but not particularly relevant reality. There were clearly the beds to isolate some of those elderly on a ship instead of them being in nursing homes.

You are speaking in hindsight. Hindsight makes everyone seem like geniuses. But when you are dealing with the here and now, when your whole world is being turned upside down, when your day to day life now looks more like a war zone and hospitals look more like MASH units but without the laugh track, and the people above you are as clueless as you are, there is nothing you can do but deal with each emergency as best you can and pray for that light at the end of the tunnel.

[Kirby101]

Tend to doubt that "All..." would have been possible.

That said, yes. Keeping a large group there instead of putting them back into nursing homes would have been a far more sensible approach.

As to not knowing how stressed the medical system was?

Was it so stressed that the ship in question treated thousands?

If not?

That the system was stressed is a true but not particularly relevant reality. There was clearly the beds to isolate some of those elderly on a ship instead of them being in nursing homes.

The Comfort, a thousand beds. COVID, tens of thousands of cases. If that is all you can say to compare what happened in NY, to the willful disregard to human life in the Southe States, half a year later, you truly don't know what happened. The Comfort was there for ICU, not housing for the elderly.

[numberthirty]

You are speaking in hindsight. Hindsight makes everyone seem like geniuses. But when you are dealing with the here and now, when your whole world is being turned upside down, when your day to day life now looks more like a war zone and hospitals look more like MASH units but without the laugh track, and the people above you are as clueless as you are, there is nothing you can do but deal with each emergency as best you can and pray for that light at the end of the tunnel.

Politely, this was not hindsight.

https://******.com/article/new-york-...5b3192f2cdd6b5

AP: Over 9,000 virus patients sent into NY nursing homes

The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19. It was intended to free up space in hospitals swamped in the early days of the pandemic. It came under criticism from advocates for nursing home residents and their relatives, who said it had the potential to spread the virus in a state that at the time already had the nation’s highest nursing home death toll

A leader of a California group of nursing home clinicians and administrators, however, sees New York officials as seeking to shift blame.

“There has never been any question in my mind that sending COVID-19 patients into completely unprepared, understaffed and underresourced nursing homes both increased transmission and led to a greater number of deaths,” said Dr. Michael Wasserman, president of the California Association of Long Term Care Medicine.

[numberthirty]

The Comfort, a thousand beds. COVID, tens of thousands of cases. If that is all you can say to compare what happened in NY, to the willful disregard to human life in the Southe States, half a year later, you truly don't know what happened. The Comfort was there for ICU, not housing for the elderly.

The idea that you know what the numbers would have been if you had taken even "High Hundreds..." of people out of the nursing home system as far as what the eventual death toll in nursing homes wound up being?

Politely, it's not really an informed opinion.

Meanwhile?

The above article has an actual professional pointing to the obvious issue in putting them back into nursing homes.

[numberthirty]

I don't believe she has ever claimed to be transphobe. She's also said she wasn't trying to mock trans people.

https://twitter.com/ginacarano/statu...01756792860674

I'm curious as to what she's said that's transphobic.

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https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news...cized-comments

In August 2020, Gina Carano faced the wrath of the transgender community after she allegedly mocked their identity on Twitter.

Adding pronouns to a Twitter bio has been a conventional practice that many trans and cisgender people have followed. Carano was once asked if she would do the same by including 'he/she' in her Twitter bio, to which the former Strikeforce contender responded by adding 'boop/bob/beep' to her Twitter user name.

Many found Carano's actions poking fun at people who are usually mispronounced. The ex-Mandalorian star received heavy criticism, but stood firm with her indications that 'boop/bob/beep had zero to do with mocking trans people'.

While I guess that could be seen as a coin flip, it's certainly not the most sympathetic response she could have come up with.

[Kirby101]

The idea that you know what the numbers would have been if you had taken even "High Hundreds..." of people out of the nursing home system as far as what the eventual death toll in nursing homes wound up being?

Politely, it's not really an informed opinion.

Meanwhile?

The above article has an actual professional pointing to the obvious issue in putting them back into nursing homes.

It wasn't a hotel ship, it was an ICU ship. And you still don't want to talk about Southern Governors, even today, refusing to mandate masks or support social distancing.
Your obsession with the Comfort as a major cause of the death total is inane.

Nighty night.

[numberthirty]

It wasn't a hotel ship, it was an ICU ship. And you still don't want to talk about Southern Governors, even today, refusing to mandate masks or support social distancing.
Your obsession with the Comfort as a major cause of the death total is inane.

Nighty night.

Jeez...

This one just keeps coming up.

Seriously...

What, exactly, would there really be to discuss?

The approach is pretty dumb, but it's also been the plan the whole time. Been the plan, and everyone knew. No one that can be taken even remotely seriously has ever been holding those two up as examples of how it should be done.

At this point, it's barely even worth getting particularly worked up over.

[GindyPosts]

I find it sadly funny how conservatives are defending Texas an Florida by saying their total COVID deaths are lower than NY and NJ.
Google "chart COVID Deaths". You will see that most of the Northeast deaths happened in the early months last year when the country was still trying to figure out how to deal with the virus and Trump was being his stupid self. The graphs go to a low line after May. Florida and Texas on the other hand, with their open everything mindset had a surge in deaths the second half of last year when they should have known better. Those Governors literally killed their citizens.

But those states love and favor the miracle of capitalism, not like those socialist hellholes like New York, so that's why they are lower.

Also, who's to say the numbers Texas and Florida have are legit? Yeah, we should call into question what goes on in New York thanks to what Cuomo did, but in the case of far more conservative states that prefer a "race to the bottom" approach to crisis management, do their numbers actually reflect reality? Or are they making their numbers look better in the hopes of convincing people to let their guard down in the hopes of more commerce and/or tourism?

[numberthirty]

But those states love and favor the miracle of capitalism, not like those socialist hellholes like New York, so that's why they are lower.

Also, who's to say the numbers Texas and Florida have are legit? Yeah, we should call into question what goes on in New York thanks to what Cuomo did, but in the case of far more conservative states that prefer a "race to the bottom" approach to crisis management, do their numbers actually reflect reality? Or are they making their numbers look better in the hopes of convincing people to let their guard down in the hopes of more commerce and/or tourism?

On the one hand?

Sure. That's possible.

On the other hand?

It hasn't even been a full year, and it came out that Cuomo(and his team...) was straight up lying about numbers.

While it could be, what are the odds that those two had an even slightly more competent plan for hiding it?

[Gray Lensman]

On the one hand?

Sure. That's possible.

On the other hand?

It hasn't even been a full year, and it came out that Cuomo(and his team...) was straight up lying about numbers.

While it could be, what are the odds that those two had an even slightly more competent plan for hiding it?

We know Florida was hiding the number of deaths from the massive spike in "pneumonia" deaths the state reported in 2020 as opposed to 2019, not to mention the other administrative shenanigans they pulled.

[PwrdOn]

But those states love and favor the miracle of capitalism, not like those socialist hellholes like New York, so that's why they are lower.

Also, who's to say the numbers Texas and Florida have are legit? Yeah, we should call into question what goes on in New York thanks to what Cuomo did, but in the case of far more conservative states that prefer a "race to the bottom" approach to crisis management, do their numbers actually reflect reality? Or are they making their numbers look better in the hopes of convincing people to let their guard down in the hopes of more commerce and/or tourism?

If all of our supposed leaders spent a fraction of the time and energy they spent fretting over the economy on actually trying to combat the virus, then the pandemic would have been over months ago and the economy would already be back to functioning like normal. It's not a red state/blue state thing, none of the governors have covered themselves in glory through this whole process, it's a fundamental issue with this "fuck you I got mine" attitude that underpins our entire socioeconomic system and renders us entirely incapable of any kind of collective action.

[numberthirty]

We know Florida was hiding the number of deaths from the massive spike in "pneumonia" deaths the state reported in 2020 as opposed to 2019, not to mention the other administrative shenanigans they pulled.

Kinda what I mean.

That's right out there in the open, and most of us have guessed at what might be.

Again, not much of a plan for hiding it.