All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

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Come on with that nonsense...

nonsense? Read the hyperbole that babyblob is perpetuating - terrorists? Criminalizing dissent is an old establishment strategy. That W has joined up in this tarring of the constituency that ousted establishment Goppers should tell one enough that this is not about party but groundswell, and suppressing it.

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It is important to remember that the Republicans kind of have a home field advantage in the senate, land is more important than the actual people living on it with the whole 2 senators per every state setup and that hurts when a lot of Dems tend to be concentrated in states like New York or California.

It is not land per se but the life, culture and interests of the people that are different. Steamrolling them with the masses is what part of "equity"?

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We live in the politics of Paranoia because of bunch of terrorist **** heads stormed the capital attacked police and tried to go after law makers doing their legal duty.

As for what prompted the search? Any cop in any city will most likely search a truck that was parked outside of a political building or any offical building at midnight when it had no tags. That is a legit reason to wonder what they guy was doing there. And when they pulled over the guy he said he was on patrol and spouting hate speech. That is a damn sure good reason to maybe look at the truck.
There is a huge difference between posting a blog and sitting outside of a building with weapons and being "on patrol" Who appointed this guy to be on patrol? What would he have done if he saw something he didnt like. He is a guy with a grudge looking for trouble. You dont go across country and stalk an political opponents party building with weapons with out the desire to use them.

If a car was parked outside of a GOP headquarters at midnight in a truck with no tags and was covered in BLM or Antifa symbols if I was a cop I would be wondering what the person was up to and I would pull them over and if they ranted about being on patrol and all that crap yea look into it.

This is not a case of the heavy handed police picking on some poor member of the GOP for no reason.

And you ranting about it is not a near crime in my view as you put it. You gave a view I gave mine. That is how a debate on a forum works. If you cant handle a disagreement what are you doing on a politics thread?

By way of deflection, it wasn't my rant that I was talking about but your comment on the traffic offender. And to a further point of yours, the FBI is still looking for a guy that placed packages outside BOTH RNC and DNC in Washington https://www.ketk.com/news/politics/d...ot-at-capitol/ Which says that party and threat are not clearly advertised by bumper stickers and other speech.

The only debate I am having here is the need for underlining who the friends and enemies of the country are along quaint political parties.

[Panfoot]

It is not land per se but the life, culture and interests of the people that are different. Steamrolling them with the masses is what part of "equity"?

So what your saying is, going with Tami's example of Wyoming vs. NYC, that someone in Wyomings vote should be worth 15 peoples worth of people living in NYC?

[Gray Lensman]

Sounds about right in protecting the interests of that state and its people from Gross democracy; what was intentionally blunted in establishing a republic and protecting minority rights.

True, but I doubt the founding fathers envisioned the possibility of what we are approaching - permanent minority rule. That will be neither a democracy nor a republic - even though the insistence that they are incompatible is a lie. Democracy is how we get the government, republic is the form it takes after it is chosen. Republican Democracy/Democratic Republic - even the founding fathers often used the terms interchangeably, with a notable exception of Madison, who considered democracy to only be every citizen voting on every single thing - representative democracy wasn't something he could wrap his head around.

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So what your saying is, going with Tami's example of Wyoming vs. NYC, that someone in Wyomings vote should be worth 15 peoples worth of people living in NYC?

that's your distorted calculus. One Wyoming is worth One New York State (spoken as one who lives in the shadow of the Williamsburg bridge)

[Panfoot]

But why, when far more people live in one state over the other? Why does one piece of land based on arbitrary boundaries get the same representation as another that is far more populated?

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True, but I doubt the founding fathers envisioned the possibility of what we are approaching - permanent minority rule. That will be neither a democracy nor a republic - even though the insistence that they are incompatible is a lie. Democracy is how we get the government, republic is the form it takes after it is chosen. Republican Democracy/Democratic Republic - even the founding fathers often used the terms interchangeably, with a notable exception of Madison, who considered democracy to only be every citizen voting on every single thing - representative democracy wasn't something he could wrap his head around.

Minority rule is an exaggeration and permanent equally suspect. Just because fewer are living there now does not mean change is not possible if one looks at shifts in places like AZ or NV. The real tension in this country has been on resource vs. people and the physical disparity of the two. Socialist mayors of in Wisconsin once faced the same questions of appropriating land, wealth and setting prices for the few feeding them. We get lost in the social issues only to find out the real tyranny is in commanding prices and the cost of labor. As an urban dweller I might feel like I should be able to force my view on abortion on the WY but what about the price of cattle and cost of grain for my spaghetti and meatballs?

[Malvolio]

Alison Hayden

Welcome to what is the 1023rd original profile here at “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day”, where we’ll be profiling Alison Hayden, a trial lawyer and 2020 candidate for U.S. House of Representatives in California’s 15th Congressional District, who was looking to stage an upset of Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell. Hayden is also the latest in our far-too-long line of Republican candidates for office who were promoting the Qanon conspiracy theory, as she kept using Qanon hashtags in posts on Twitter, as well as posting about “The Great Awakening”, where Donald Trump would lead Democrats who would be exposed for having dungeons where they harvested fear hormones from tortured children off to military tribunals to be executed. Y’know, just boilerplate policy stuff.

While supporting that absolutely bonkers conspiracy theory is enough to warrant us writing up a CSGOPOTD profile of someone, we’ve noticed that Alison Hayden’s nuttery is not limited to just Qanon. Take this Twitter post where she tries to claim there’s a double standard about Black Lives Matter murals being painted on the streets in Washington, D.C. (publicly funded and approved by the mayor) and yet when anti-choice activists start spray-painting “Black Pre-Lives Matter”, they get arrested for graffiti.


So… that’s a racist battle to pick, right there. She’s also a fan of transphobic policy, as well as spreading Covid-19 misinformation, not just about vaccines, but also anti-mask lunacy. And, to round it out, she has begun re-writing history that played out in front of the world’s eyes on January 6th, claiming that “patriots” who were Trump supporters were actually “pulling Antifa rioters away from the windows” that day.

If Alison Hayden isn’t knowingly a hateful liar, we hope that she gets the psychiatric counseling she clearly needs if she believes all the s*** she puts on social media. Feel free to report her account until Twitter shuts her down, because that would be to her own benefit, and everyone else’s.

On the difference between the Black Lives Matter mural and the anti-abortion spray painting: the former had a permit, the latter did not. When you have a permit, the police leave you alone, but when you don't have a permit, the police treat you like a fake Rolex salesman in Times Square.

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On the difference between the Black Lives Matter mural and the anti-abortion spray painting: the former had a permit, the latter did not. When you have a permit, the police leave you alone, but when you don't have a permit, the police treat you like a fake Rolex salesman in Times Square.

You mean the difference between state sanctioned agitprop and graffiti is the okay by those in power? got it.

[shooshoomanjoe]

I guess calling it 'election fraud' when the GOP lose is going to be their thing now.

As Newsom leads California recall polls, Larry Elder pushes baseless fraud claims

WASHINGTON — Republicans in Tuesday's California gubernatorial recall election are already laying the groundwork to argue the election was stolen — even before a single ballot is reported or a victor declared, an increasingly common tactic in conservative circles.

Republican Larry Elder appealed on Monday to his supporters to use an online form to report fraud, which claimed it had "detected fraud" in the "results" of the California recall election "resulting in Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor."

The only problem: On Monday when the link was live on Elder's campaign site, the election hadn't even happened yet. No results had been released. And Elder was still campaigning to replace Newsom as governor.

“Statistical analyses used to detect fraud in elections held in 3rd-world nations (such as Russia, Venezuela, and Iran) have detected fraud in California resulting in Governor Gavin Newsom being reinstated as governor,” the site reads. "The primary analytical tool used was Benford’s Law and can be readily reproduced."

The site added on Monday afternoon a disclaimer saying it was "Paid For By Larry Elder Ballot Measure Committee Recall Newsom Committee," with major funding from Elder's gubernatorial campaign.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I guess calling it 'election fraud' when the GOP lose is going to be their thing now.

As Newsom leads California recall polls, Larry Elder pushes baseless fraud claims

I suppose it could be argued this nonsense began with Trump who cried foul in 2016, laying the groundwork that Democrats were going to steal the election from him----BEFORE votes were tallied. And Qpublicans have been reading from that same playbook ever since.

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I suppose it could be argued this nonsense began with Trump who cried foul in 2016, laying the groundwork that Democrats were going to steal the election from him----BEFORE votes were tallied. And Qpublicans have been reading from that same playbook ever since.

I think anytime that a side goes out and comes up with means to "round up" votes they are going to be open to charges of harvesting, faking, soliciting and cooking ballots.

[shooshoomanjoe]

I think anytime that a side goes out and comes up with means to "round up" votes they are going to be open to charges of harvesting, faking, soliciting and cooking ballots.

Nothing says fraud more than a sitting president asking GA to find more votes for him.

[numberthirty]

nonsense? Read the hyperbole that babyblob is perpetuating - terrorists? Criminalizing dissent is an old establishment strategy. That W has joined up in this tarring of the constituency that ousted establishment Goppers should tell one enough that this is not about party but groundswell, and suppressing it.

Yes, nonsense.

This was what I quoted...

I don't dispute that that he was stopped for a legit reason but what prompted that search - the politics of paranoia? Who knows indeed what crime he might have committed in our ever increasing "Precrime" world but we do know that in the city of DC just about anything that can be thought of as dangerous is made illegal already so it wouldn't take much to arrest anyone opposing the the government with anything more than a blog. I can see too that ranting in public is already a near crime to you blob.

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If someone has a swastika painted into their side mirrors?

Whatever that "Politics Of Paranoia..." bit you are on about is out the window.

A swastika painted into the side mirrors of a vehicle without plates quite reasonably prompts a search in every state in the union.

Not much worth going over past that.