All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[The Cool Thatguy]

yes, very complicated but then again for someone with consultants from google and other big data firms that are in evidence on the DNC Biden campaign it is not as far fetched.

Any more complicated than the Time article posted?

I just asked for evidence, and you just provided none whatsoever, besides innuendo. There's less evidence of Biden working with Big Tech to influence the election than there is of Trump working with Russia to influence the election.

So...

[Kirby101]

I just asked for evidence, and you just provided none whatsoever, besides innuendo. There's less evidence of Biden working with Big Tech to influence the election than there is of Trump working with Russia to influence the election.

So...

There is a lot of evidence of Trump working with the Russians.

Better comparison, less evidence of election fraud than evidence of Trump telling the truth.

[The Cool Thatguy]

There is a lot of evidence of Trump working with the Russians.

Better comparison, less evidence of election fraud than evidence of Trump telling the truth.

Yeah, I was simply alluding to the fact that if anyone committed fraud, in this election or the one prior, it was Trump.

[Mister Mets]

how do you prove something so massive and technical without the investigations into the big data consulting firms? If the Hunter Biden and Wuhan lab stories are just getting the air they deserve what would defrauding the American election look like in delegitimizing the government.

"The Secret Bipartisan Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election | Time" https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

It is conspiracy thinking until it isn't.

If something is massive and technical, it would leave all sorts of footprints.

Joe Biden won Arizona by just over 10,000 votes. A conspiracy to manufacture that number of votes requires a lot of people. And this neglects the votes that would be needed in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The Time article shows that it's hard to keep people quiet about this kind of stuff. And it covers something legal, a decision by informed people not to support bullshit claims. It's worth noting the deal between business and labor leaders was made at a time when it wasn't clear who would win, or what side might be in a position to protest the results.

Not sure if I should reply on this.... But :-)
Im from Denmark, have friends in the states and love being there... and been several times....
But it saddens me to see how the US gotten so torn apart.... I was planing to come again in 2022. Is it just me but with Democrats, replublicans fighting dirty, Im not sure if I wanna take the chance to visit in 2022

Kirby101 - Is it sure they retake congress next year??

A midterm election is unlikely to have much major impact on a tourist. Maybe you'll see interesting protests.

They're counting on people who live in cities where two papers have merged to believe that things have gotten so bad for the "Failing" New York Times that they had to merge with the New York Post.

I think it's a different kind of fraud. Xheight mentioned SEO manipulation, but someone seeing the link might think it's part of some New York Times feature.

That's not exactly true. The New York Post was founded in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton as the New York Evening Post. It went from a somewhat respected Newspaper to a tabloid in the mid-20th century.

The Washington Times is a different story.

The Washington Times had enough of a history before that it seems to be more of a generic newspaper name than an effort to trick people into thinking thinking it's affiliated with the Washington Post or New York Times.

What I reminding people of is that Judges that ruled on elections were afraid of repeating Bush vs. Gore and punted not because of evidence but because they didn't want to open the can of worms that might lead to questioning our election process.
- Politico
As to where the burden of proof lies that is not a legal position simply the assertion of those that have the upper hand. The credibility of such amounts to saying we haven't had massive fraud before so why should we think there was one now. Except we have had questionable elections before and Bush vs Gore is just the most recent one.
How can you call evidence flimsy when none has been allowed to be presented?

There is a legal principle that challenges should be made at the appropriate time.

The Pennsylvania legislature passed a law allowing for no-excuses voting in October 2019. It's a bad idea for the courts to encourage last minute challenges.

There is a separate legal principle that the Supreme Court should avoid getting involved in state court controversies whenever possible.

[Jack Dracula]

What I reminding people of is that Judges that ruled on elections were afraid of repeating Bush vs. Gore and punted not because of evidence but because they didn't want to open the can of worms that might lead to questioning our election process.
- Politico
As to where the burden of proof lies that is not a legal position simply the assertion of those that have the upper hand. The credibility of such amounts to saying we haven't had massive fraud before so why should we think there was one now. Except we have had questionable elections before and Bush vs Gore is just the most recent one.
How can you call evidence flimsy when none has been allowed to be presented?

What you're doing is working backwards to justify a pre-conceived opinion.
What I'm doing is repeating the fact that these judges ruled against the claims due to a lack of credible evidence. That's a matter of record in multiple courts.

Courts also have rules regarding time limits on when a case can be brought. The rules weren't changed to cheat your particular idiot. It's very possible the idiot knew they didn't have credible evidence and they waited until it was too late so they could force the illusion there was some sort of fraud.

[numberthirty]

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As to where the burden of proof lies that is not a legal position simply the assertion of those that have the upper hand. The credibility of such amounts to saying we haven't had massive fraud before so why should we think there was one now. Except we have had questionable elections before and Bush vs Gore is just the most recent one.
How can you call evidence flimsy when none has been allowed to be presented?

Man...

This is seriously "Basics 101..."

You know how we can reasonably conclude that John Wayne Gacy actually killed a bunch of people?

His home and his yard.

The "Tin Foil Hat..." set that is attempting to assert whatever about the election have neither the house or the yard.

That is "Flimsy..." in every state in the union.

[Kirby101]

The evidence for election fraud is not at all flimsy.

It is nonexistent.

[worstblogever]

The evidence for election fraud is not at all flimsy.

It is nonexistent.

Recommended reading material to anyone who disagrees with this statement:

[Tendrin]

Trump had blueprints that the Republicans tried to use to prevent Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's clear and genuine victory, in the form of a memo that laid out a plan for then-Vice President Mike Pence to thwart Biden's Electoral College triumph. The memo was reported in the new book "Peril," by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, and was later obtained by CNN.
Trump's own campaign staff knew that outlandish claims of fraud made by the then-President's lawyers were utterly false, according to a report in The New York Times. But they did nothing to stop his dangerous allegations.
Trump sent a letter full of false information to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, asking him to start the process of decertifying the 2020 election.
"Peril" also contains a passage that shows Trump cared little for truth, what voters decided in November or bedrock constitutional values -- but agonized about his reputation and mused that accepting defeat would brand him as one of history's losers

People like XHeight are useful, shitposting idiots. They hate their caricature of Democrats and liberals more than they love the country they claim to want to protect. Xheight has already made this odiously clear in his posts.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/polit...ons/index.html

[Gray Lensman]

It must be very easy to pull it off with thousands of people in different states with no emails, paper trail, voice recordings, or any one coming forward and saying "Hey Hey Look what I was a part of! I helped keep Trump from getting elected. Im a hero!"

I havnt seen any paper trail with the Dems going "Okay here are the fake votes and here is where we will claim they are cast." Must be some real mission impossible crap going on. "This evidence of massive voter fraud will self destruct in 5 seconds."

And what is funny is how the GOP cherry pick where the fraud was at.

In District A Biden won so voter fraud, but in that same district a GOP won their seat for Senate? Oh no the GOP results are fine. it is Biden that is the fraud.

It is going to get to the point there is going to be fraud claims in elections for Dog Catcher in 2024.

This is a big one. If the Democrats had committed fraud to elect Biden, you'd think they would have been able to give him more leeway in the Senate, and to have gained, rather than lost seats in the House.

[numberthirty]

This is a big one. If the Democrats had committed fraud to elect Biden, you'd think they would have been able to give him more leeway in the Senate, and to have gained, rather than lost seats in the House.

Honestly, you don't even need an "If..."

A guy who only won because he was an unpopular person running against an even more unpopular person went up against someone who had been part of a reasonably popular administration.

He even won by about the same EC margin as Trump.

No conspiracy.

A guy spent his entire Presidency picking fights banking on that he could pull off an incredibly singular win a second time.

Throw in that he did a lousy job on a pandemic?

Perfectly reasonable scenario where that hands almost anyone running against him the win. Never mind Biden.

[Robotman]

So Cyber Ninja found jackshit. Strike that, they accidentally showed that Trump lost by an even larger margin.


Republican Review of Arizona Vote Fails to Show Stolen Election

After months of delays and blistering criticism, a review of the 2020 election in Arizona’s largest county, ordered up and financed by Republicans, has failed to show that former President Donald J. Trump was cheated of victory, according to draft versions of the report.

In fact, the draft report from the company Cyber Ninjas found just the opposite: It tallied 99 additional votes for President Biden and 261 fewer votes for Mr. Trump in Maricopa County, the fast-growing region that includes Phoenix.

[CaptainEurope]

Because courts of law are the only way we know about the truth? pull the other leg.

Or you could ask the Cyber Ninjas.

[Gray Lensman]

So Cyber Ninja found jackshit. Strike that, they accidentally showed that Trump lost by an even larger margin.


Republican Review of Arizona Vote Fails to Show Stolen Election

After months of delays and blistering criticism, a review of the 2020 election in Arizona’s largest county, ordered up and financed by Republicans, has failed to show that former President Donald J. Trump was cheated of victory, according to draft versions of the report.

In fact, the draft report from the company Cyber Ninjas found just the opposite: It tallied 99 additional votes for President Biden and 261 fewer votes for Mr. Trump in Maricopa County, the fast-growing region that includes Phoenix.

So that's a 350 vote shift away from what the results should have been. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have found our fraud.

Maybe we should audit some closely won red counties next - just to be fair.

[Tendrin]

Hey, WBE. Have you seen this?

Kelley’s attorney, Lester Tate, alleged his client, the former House Republican whip, did nothing wrong.

“Georgia does have a hit-and-run statute that imposes a duty on the driver, but for someone like Trey who arrived on a scene after the accident occurred, he had no duty to do other than what he did,” Tate said according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

According to court documents, Kelley didn’t just arrive on the scene, check it out, and call 911. He called his own high-powered buddy, Cedartown Police Chief James Newsome, 46 minutes after the accident. Newsome then called a sergeant, but not 911. When the sergeant arrived, Keais was found still alive, lying bloodied in a ditch. The sergeant called an ambulance, but Keais died later at the hospital.

“Defendants Dover, Kelley, and Newsome conspired to cover up the seriousness of the hit-and-run by manipulating the police investigation,” according to the lawsuit. “These defendants acted in concert to put Mr. Keais’ life in further jeopardy by recklessly and intentionally delaying and depriving him of lifesaving medical treatment.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...leged-cover-up