All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[BeastieRunner]

Can we just skip to the end?

Agree 100%!

It took 30-40 years for the Illuminati thing to be crushed by the weight of the overwhelming evidence.

We are at the beginning of the overwhelming evidence stage and this is year 8 or 9. So we ARE ahead of that curve ...

It also should be noted that Dwight thought a bunch of the Bavarian Illuminati had infiltrated Yale (he was president there at the time), and with Morse and Jay ran an "inquiry" into people's affiliations at the school. They found that several of their colleagues and supporters had ties to Adam Weishaupt, the founder. PArt of the "inquiry" was also tied into the notion that radical republicanism and "infidel philosophy" from the likes of Hume, Hobbes, and Tindal from the French Revolution. They later found more faculty and staff that supported this "infidel philosophy" and tried to address it, but failed.

Kind of like the AZ self-own we saw earlier this year with the "Stop the Steal" nonsense.

[Xheight]

That would be an interesting follow-up question. In what ways is the country so off track as to make violence a possibility?

That said, I don't know how much thought the people polled gave to the question.

In this case less than a third of Republicans believe a stupid thing, compared to just over a tenth of Democrats. That doesn't seem worth supporting policies someone would believe to be harmful.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...iolence-424157

Meanwhile, 36 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of Democrats said it is at least “a little” justified for their side “to use violence in advancing political goals.”

So the numbers were similar for the political parties when there was uncertainty about which party would be in charge the next year, and when the question is phrased in a less politically loaded way.

Point taken about phrasing polls but you offer, nor does such polling offer a historical baseline, info that might let us consider if this is "a stupid thing" or not. Whether there is a real crisis or no matters less than if enough people feel that there is motive enough to take 'direct action' on the perceived dumpster fire. To me that is the far more interesting question. If we look to BLM what percent gets people out in the streets or is it really not about percent of...? Technocrats in power would certainly like to think there is some tipping point number but I am doubtful it can be captured much less quantified.

[AnakinFlair]

Agree 100%!

It took 30-40 years for the Illuminati thing to be crushed by the weight of the overwhelming evidence.

We are at the beginning of the overwhelming evidence stage and this is year 8 or 9. So we ARE ahead of that curve ...

It also should be noted that Dwight thought a bunch of the Bavarian Illuminati had infiltrated Yale (he was president there at the time), and with Morse and Jay ran an "inquiry" into people's affiliations at the school. They found that several of their colleagues and supporters had ties to Adam Weishaupt, the founder. PArt of the "inquiry" was also tied into the notion that radical republicanism and "infidel philosophy" from the likes of Hume, Hobbes, and Tindal from the French Revolution. They later found more faculty and staff that supported this "infidel philosophy" and tried to address it, but failed.

Kind of like the AZ self-own we saw earlier this year with the "Stop the Steal" nonsense.

Well, attention spans are shorter....

[thwhtGuardian]

So basically you are saying that a hegemonic ideology is OKAY to protect it from democracy. Who needs a conspiracy when we live in an Imperial system.

...It's nothing at all like an imperial system or a hegemony. Do you just like throwing out big words?

[Kirby101]

...It's nothing at all like an imperial system or a hegemony. Do you just like throwing out big words?

[Mister Mets]

There is a retired General who contributes to MSNBC (can't think of his name at the moment) who once said that Flynn should be recalled to active duty, for the express purposes of Dishonorably Discharging him. And I absolutely agree.



For a moment I thought "Now, why don't all movie sets do that with guns?" Then I realized it would cost money, and studios hate shelling out for little things like that. Though, after this, I would think there would be a push to make those kind of gun modifications in film required.

Money is one reason. If low-budget films become prohibitively expensive, many will not be made. These will include stories for niche audiences, sometimes dealing with the experiences of minorities, and often building the resumes of future stars.

Another major factor is the realism. It's the same reason many directors prefer shooting on location rather than doing everything with green-screens.

I mean sure. But lets face it how many hours of westerns have been made in the history of cinema? I don't know the ratio of real vs fake guns on theses sets. But Hollywood has managed to keep the number of people shot with real bullets on westerns to a very low ratio. Whatever they were doing for the last 100 years was working. This movie set was obviously the exception.

This is an important point.

It is a tragedy, but it is also rare. The efforts to stop this from ever happening again may end up having worse tradeoffs.

[Mister Mets]

Point taken about phrasing polls but you offer, nor does such polling offer a historical baseline, info that might let us consider if this is "a stupid thing" or not. Whether there is a real crisis or no matters less than if enough people feel that there is motive enough to take 'direct action' on the perceived dumpster fire. To me that is the far more interesting question. If we look to BLM what percent gets people out in the streets or is it really not about percent of...? Technocrats in power would certainly like to think there is some tipping point number but I am doubtful it can be captured much less quantified.

Now I'm going to ask the follow-up question. In what ways is the country so off track as to make a violent response appealing?

What's going on right now that merits threats of violence?

Can we just skip to the end?

This is an important question. A lot of political arguments are about incomplete information. We'll know more about some of these topics soon enough.

[thwhtGuardian]

Money is one reason. If low-budget films become prohibitively expensive, many will not be made. These will include stories for niche audiences, sometimes dealing with the experiences of minorities, and often building the resumes of future stars.

Another major factor is the realism. It's the same reason many directors prefer shooting on location rather than doing everything with green-screens.

This is an important point.

It is a tragedy, but it is also rare. The efforts to stop this from ever happening again may end up having worse tradeoffs.

...there is literally no worse trade off.

I mean really, especially in this day and age there is absolutely no reason the gun needs to make any noise or emit any real flash. High School kids can do those kinds of effects on their soccer mom's old desk top.

[Xheight]

...It's nothing at all like an imperial system or a hegemony. Do you just like throwing out big words?

So when Trump tried to reorient our relations with Russia and North Korea who attacked him...the State Dept. Who was the whistleblower in the impeachment? CIA Eric Ciaramella.

[thwhtGuardian]

So when Trump tried to reorient our relations with Russia and North Korea who attacked him...the State Dept. Who was the whistleblower in the impeachment? CIA Eric Ciaramella.

So when people suspect that laws are being broken they should just keep quiet?

You're not doing anything to help yourself here.

Hey, if you like conspiracies just own it man...just don't expect others to take your hobby seriously.

[Kirby101]

So when Trump tried to reorient our relations with Russia and North Korea who attacked him...

Everybody with a freaking brain in their head.

[Mister Mets]

...there is literally no worse trade off.

I mean really, especially in this day and age there is absolutely no reason the gun needs to make any noise or emit any real flash. High School kids can do those kinds of effects on their soccer mom's old desk top.

There are potentially worse tradeoffs.

If this prevents hundreds of movies from being made, which means that artists of various types (actors, directors, set designers, etc.) will not be able to reach their potential, or to inspire audiences, that can be worse.

[Xheight]

Now I'm going to ask the follow-up question. In what ways is the country so off track as to make a violent response appealing?

What's going on right now that merits threats of violence?

This is an important question. A lot of political arguments are about incomplete information. We'll know more about some of these topics soon enough.

Well the the question of voting is itself compromised.
The Deep State interests which Biden embodies like an Imperial emperor. Removing Caligula and replacing him with a Claudius still leaves us with a Bread and Circus system.
The Federal System is far too big.
The Wealth Gap hasn't stopped growing.
People are not interested in an equity that populates Corporate Boards with POC while police still have immunity...

[thwhtGuardian]

There are potentially worse tradeoffs.

If this prevents hundreds of movies from being made, which means that artists of various types (actors, directors, set designers, etc.) will not be able to reach their potential, or to inspire audiences, that can be worse.

It literally can't do that.

Convincing flash effects and sound effects are cheap and easy to do, it's only force of habit and tradition in Hollywood that says they "need" a bang for the audience to believe it.

[thwhtGuardian]

Well the the question of voting is itself compromised. The Deep State interests which Biden embodies like an Imperial emperor. Removing Caligula and replacing him with a Claudius still leaves us with a Bread and Circus system.
The Federal System is far too big. The Wealth Gap hasn't stopped growing. I am not interested in an equity that populates Corporate Boards with POC while police still have immunity...

I'm asking completely seriously here... are you okay?

Nothing you said right there is even a little bit coherent. I'm talking stroke level word soup.