All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Reviresco]

It's certainly not. The arrest of Igor Danchenko yesterday just invigorated his supporters. Turns out the 5 years of Russia collusion media stories were indeed false and people are getting arrested for it. This is another example of why, as we saw on Tuesday, people are losing faith in the D party. A major overhaul is needed.

By this logic, then everything the Dems and the media said was true when Mike Flynn was arrested (not to mention convicted) for the exact same crime.

My stomach turned with the reading of each page of the long ass indictment:
https://www.justice.gov/sco/pr/russi...statements-fbi

Except most of that written indictment has little to do with Danchenko and his charges and more to do with Durham spouting off his unsubstantiated support of Trump. He's probably going to get sued by all those cyber guys he exposed to doxing.

The Mueller investigation was supposed to uncover all of that but it found nothing.
Sadly, Mueller is mentioned in the Danchenko indictment as well. It states Mueller knew Danchenko lied to the FBI. My head hurts.

That is unequivocally NOT what the Mueller investigation found.

[shooshoomanjoe]

I'm talking in reference to what you mentioned, the Trump Tower meeting.

Actually, Mr. Mueller's investigation did mentioned the trump tower meeting. So why did trump walk away without anything happening to him? How many times was he questioned under oath? Not once, because the republicans protected him from being under oath. All they ended up doing was giving him a piece of paper with questions to answer. And don't forget, Mr. Mueller said he isn't exonerating trump.

[JB]

By this logic, then everything the Dems and the media said was true when Mike Flynn was arrested (not to mention convicted) for the exact same crime.

Except most of that written indictment has little to do with Danchenko and his charges and more to do with Durham spouting off his unsubstantiated support of Trump. He's probably going to get sued by all those cyber guys he exposed to doxing.

All possible but all assumption at this point. I'm going on a tangible indictment that just lit his supporters up. Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't arrest Danchenko.

Actually, Mr. Mueller's investigation did mentioned the trump tower meeting. So why did trump walk away without anything happening to him? How many times was he questioned under oath? Not once, because the republicans protected him from being under oath. All they ended up doing was giving him a piece of paper with questions to answer. And don't forget, Mr. Mueller said he isn't exonerating trump.

You're asking the wrong person.

[JB]

So The Dems need to pass those two bills in a hurry and they need to sit down and say "What are we going to do for 2022, and 2024? because the we aint Trump aint going to fly in 2022 or if Trump runs in 2024 but the Dems dont have much to show for what they did when Trump was not around.

Another roadblock was just hit. A group of moderates have demanded to see a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) score for the reconciliation bill. Jake Sherman just reported that this is not going to happen until Thanksgiving week.

And from The Hill:
"The demands from a handful of centrist lawmakers for a full Congressional Budget Office analysis of the social spending package is jeopardizing House Democratic leaders’ plans to hold a vote Friday on the legislation. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) acknowledged that a CBO score on the bill — which spans more than 2,000 pages — would not be ready on Friday."

[Malvolio]

To any and all who say both parties are the same: I would love to have Republicans I could vote for. I used to try to vote for at least one Republican on the local level just to prove to myself that I was being fair. But at some point, you have to admit that they're all crooked, if they are in fact all crooked.

[Reviresco]

The down side is the Dems are not really united. You have the progressive faction, you have the moderates, you have the ones like the 2 (im not taking the time to google how to spell their names but we know who I mean) that are blocking the current bills. The Dems focused so long on We are not Trump and got everyone behind that that once Trump was gone they really couldnt agree on some of the big iusses and bills in the part. And then the GOp stood in the way of a couple of the bills they did unite on like voter and police reform.

It's easy to be united when your party consists of mostly the same people (old, allegedly Christian, rich, conservative white men). It's alot harder to unite when you are a big tent party with a variety of people and a variety of ideological views.

One thing that we have to agree on is that most of the GOP is united. They are pretty much say they same things to their base, they dont go after other members of their own party in public (Unless they are anti Trumpers) Whatever problems the members of the GOP have with Green, or Mitch, or Getz they keep behind closed doors.

And now The Gop is running with the "Well Biden said he wasnt Trump but what has he done? messed up Afghanistan, cant get his own bills passed by his own party" And people are starting to listen. Maybe not to the GOP but to their own doubts. There are people who turned out for Biden who are now saying "Why bother in 2022 or 2024?" For whatever reason, GOP blocking, a couple people in his own party blocking it just looks like Biden hasnt done much of anything his fault or not.

So The Dems need to pass those two bills in a hurry and they need to sit down and say "What are we going to do for 2022, and 2024? because the we aint Trump aint going to fly in 2022 or if Trump runs in 2024 but the Dems dont have much to show for what they did when Trump was not around.

Too many Dems think after 2020 where they flipped some areas and came close to flipping others and Trump losing that they won. Trump is gone. But Trump is not gone. he is not in office but the whole party of people who are are still bending over backwards to kiss his ass and please his cult. The Dems kind of need to pull together and get things going. Because they are giving the GOP crazy good talking points and making the people who came out for him upset that they are talking about just saying to hell with it in 2022 and 2024.

That's Republican spin and media hysteria. The Dems actually did what no party has done since Regan in winning NJ's governship. I think Biden and the Dems are actually doing quite a lot in a very short time under terrible circumstances. People have forgotten how a working Congress actually works. History will look back on this year quite kindly, IMO. What the Dems need to do is pass that Voter bill and get their own spin in high gear. If successful, maybe then they can fix Congress.

[Xheight]

To any and all who say both parties are the same: I would love to have Republicans I could vote for. I used to try to vote for at least one Republican on the local level just to prove to myself that I was being fair. But at some point, you have to admit that they're all crooked, if they are in fact all crooked.

I am in a blue state and feel much the same about Dem options that get dumped on me. That is why I say they are the same.

It's easy to be united when your party consists of mostly the same people (old, allegedly Christian, rich, conservative white men). It's alot harder to unite when you are a big tent party with a variety of people and a variety of ideological views.

Only as true as national contests go but that Tent is not as here in my state or city. When I go in all I find is the same Clown show.

[Tendrin]

I am in a blue state and feel much the same about Dem options that get dumped on me. That is why I say they are the same.

Oh no. Now you've done it.

[babyblob]

I am in a blue state and feel much the same about Dem options that get dumped on me. That is why I say they are the same.

Im sorry I am trying real hard. but I cant remember the last time Dems stormed the capital and threatened to hang the vice president? What voter restriction laws are the Dems passing? What anti LTGb bills are the Dems passing? How are the Dems taking away womens rights?

[Malvolio]

I am in a blue state and feel much the same about Dem options that get dumped on me. That is why I say they are the same.



Only as true as national contests go but that Tent is not as here in my state or city. When I go in all I find is the same Clown show.

You list your home as Brooklyn. I used to live in Brooklyn, so I know how it goes there. The Democrats have 99% of the power so they often run unopposed and the real election is the primary where a conservative Democrat runs against a liberal Democrat. That's the reason I was registered as a Democrat when I lived down there. And the conservative Democrat is often someone who would be a Republican if they lived almost anywhere else. So what I'm saying here is that there are real differences between the candidates and anyone saying they're all the same is just looking for an excuse to be above it all.

[JB]

It's easy to be united when your party consists of mostly the same people (old, allegedly Christian, rich, conservative white men). It's alot harder to unite when you are a big tent party with a variety of people and a variety of ideological views.

The other party is changing rapidly, just ask the first Black woman to win a statewide office in Virginia's history, or the first Latino to become VA's attorney general, both Republicans. We have to be honest about the changes happening and more importantly, figure out why.

[shooshoomanjoe]

The other party is changing rapidly, just ask the first Black woman to win a statewide office in Virginia's history, or the first Latino to become VA's attorney general, both Republicans. We have to be honest about the changes happening and more importantly, figure out why.

Yea, I seriously doubt the party of confederate flags and Q is changing.

[JB]

Yea, I seriously doubt the party of confederate flags and Q is changing.

And that's the thinking that keeps the infinite loop going. The demographics are changing. You don't have to believe it but it's happening. In Miami-Dade County, heavily Hispanic and Haitian area, the gap between registered D's and R's used to be huge. Now there's virtually no gap.

[Xheight]

You list your home as Brooklyn. I used to live in Brooklyn, so I know how it goes there. The Democrats have 99% of the power so they often run unopposed and the real election is the primary where a conservative Democrat runs against a liberal Democrat. That's the reason I was registered as a Democrat when I lived down there. And the conservative Democrat is often someone who would be a Republican if they lived almost anywhere else. So what I'm saying here is that there are real differences between the candidates and anyone saying they're all the same is just looking for an excuse to be above it all.

I hear people saying Adams is just a Republican in Dem clothing already but really the Trump/NYPost candidate was Sliwa. So being above the sewers suits me fine. BS me more about holding my nose and picking the lesser of two evils.

[Xheight]

Im sorry I am trying real hard. but I cant remember the last time Dems stormed the capital and threatened to hang the vice president? What voter restriction laws are the Dems passing? What anti LTGb bills are the Dems passing? How are the Dems taking away womens rights?

For some people that is a platform - so that is choice not corruption and cheating just the way Open Borders, Socialism and Abortion on demand are other people's choice.
I get it, you don't like those choices but in a democracy that is just what you have to put up with. I might not agree with someone who wants to give illegal immigrants $450,000 for their pain and suffering but if that passes then it does. It's like you should get over someone who thinks Pence was a traitor. Jerks all around but we got to find a way to live with each other... or not.