All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

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https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/st...509334021?s=20

He has not gotten away with it yet.

Well if Wilson could imprison people on sedition for being against the war then it is possible to use any law to a political end.

Possible but there is US precedent in 1876 to hold back the proceedings. No case was brought in that compromise. Then again compromise is not an option in our day and age.

[GindyPosts]

Biden Won’t Extend Student Loan Relief And Confirms Student Loan Payments Restart February 1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfri...h=5d4ea12f290c

When one of your campaigns promises was "eliminate student loan debt" and then you announce "we want student loan payments again", that's not going to reflect well on people who voted for anyone who voted for that as a key issue.

Then again, Biden has not bothered to stir much fuss over raising the federal minimum wage, and he certainly made sure to get rid of community colleges as a free option from the "Build Back Better" deal.

[babyblob]

I'm sorry to hear that. Disasters like this are a horrible tragedy.

Sorry to hear about that, bb.

Thank you both very much.

[Kirby101]

When one of your campaigns promises was "eliminate student loan debt" and then you announce "we want student loan payments again", that's not going to reflect well on people who voted for anyone who voted for that as a key issue.

Then again, Biden has not bothered to stir much fuss over raising the federal minimum wage, and he certainly made sure to get rid of community colleges as a free option from the "Build Back Better" deal.

He can't do any of that on his own, he needs Congress. Senators Manchin and Simena have made it clear they will not support any of those things. He did not get rid of those things, that is the only way the BBB could get enough votes to pass. How would you suggest he accomplish this without the Senate?

[JB]

Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo Must Return $5.1 Million From COVID Book Deal, Ethics Committee Says
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/12...rn-book-money/

ALBANY, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — New York state’s ethics committee says former Gov. Andrew Cuomo needs to return the $5.1 million he made from his controversial book deal.

The Joint Commission on Public Ethics voted on the matter Tuesday.

[GindyPosts]

He can't do any of that on his own, he needs Congress. Senators Manchin and Simena have made it clear they will not support any of those things. He did not get rid of those things, that is the only way the BBB could get enough votes to pass. How would you suggest he accomplish this without the Senate?

Simple; you isolate Manchin and Sinema and instead find Republicans who may be interested in working with you, even though that itself is a tall order. He's given those two, and those two alone, way more power than they deserve.

[babyblob]

Simple; you isolate Manchin and Sinema and instead find Republicans who may be interested in working with you, even though that itself is a tall order. He's given those two, and those two alone, way more power than they deserve.

This last part is way too true. You have 2 people holding up a whole party and their agenda and stopping them from getting a lot done. From what I understand they were really the only ones with the line in the sand issues for a lot of what was taken out. At least on the Dems side.

It is not as Easy to isolate Manchin. he has held some high level elected official for a while. He was secretary of state of West Virginia from 2001 to 2005 then governor of West Virginia from 2005 to 2010 and has been in the Senate since what 2011? he has made some friends and some people respect and look to him and are not that ready to throw him aside or take him on openly.

I have no idea why people are so scared of standing up to Sinema

[kidfresh512]

This last part is way too true. You have 2 people holding up a whole party and their agenda and stopping them from getting a lot done. From what I understand they were really the only ones with the line in the sand issues for a lot of what was taken out. At least on the Dems side.

It is not as Easy to isolate Manchin. he has held some high level elected official for a while. He was secretary of state of West Virginia from 2001 to 2005 then governor of West Virginia from 2005 to 2010 and has been in the Senate since what 2011? he has made some friends and some people respect and look to him and are not that ready to throw him aside or take him on openly.

I have no idea why people are so scared of standing up to Sinema

"Stand up how?" This keeps coming up. Biden is not "giving them power". The people gave them that power by not electing more Democrats. He supposed to hold a press conference and call her a greedy traitor bitch everyday? Do we really think that will be productive? She going to cry and say yeah you are right lets dump this filibuster?

They have outsized power due to the voting demographics of the country and razor thin Democratic majority period. Popular things are getting cut, or not done for that reason alone.

And getting GOP support? I mean where have we been the last few years to even moderately think that is viable. GOP get cancelled and censured by their own party on even bipartisan bills. Where are you going to get enough GOP votes to supersede Manchin and Sinema not supporting something?

It will not happen and we all know it.

[babyblob]

"Stand up how?" This keeps coming up. Biden is not "giving them power". The people gave them that power by not electing more Democrats. He supposed to hold a press conference and call her a greedy traitor bitch everyday? Do we really think that will be productive? She going to cry and say yeah you are right lets dump this filibuster?

They have outsized power due to the voting demographics of the country and razor thin Democratic majority period. Popular things are getting cut, or not done for that reason alone.

And getting GOP support? I mean where have we been the last few years to even moderately think that is viable. GOP get cancelled and censured by their own party on even bipartisan bills. Where are you going to get enough GOP votes to supersede Manchin and Sinema not supporting something?

It will not happen and we all know it.

Stand up to them by having a meeting and letting them know "Hey this just aint going to fly any more." Dont have to be a big public thing. Dont put it in the press. But let the two of them know they are holding a lot of crap up that pretty much every member of their party and a lot of Americans are for. The thing is yes they were voted in by their state but they work In the United States Senate and that means they need to look at all of America not just in their own state.

I never said anything about getting GOP support. I know that is pretty much never going to happen. Dont put word in my mouth. I just said the last part of his statement was true not all of it.

[kidfresh512]

Stand up to them by having a meeting and letting them know "Hey this just aint going to fly any more." Dont have to be a big public thing. Dont put it in the press. But let the two of them know they are holding a lot of crap up that pretty much every member of their party and a lot of Americans are for.

I never said anything about getting GOP support. I know that is pretty much never going to happen.

Yeah the "get gop support was from JD above you I just didn't multiquote.

You really think they haven't ganged up on both of them privately? Really?

Sinema barely even responds to her own constituents. That's why they get desperate and ambush her in elevators and bathroom stalls etc

I have read her constituents aren't happy and she's likely to be in trouble next time. But, for right now. Whatever her motives are if she and Manchin want something cut they pretty much can do what they want.

And the fact that you CAN get them to vote for SOMETHING with the Dems, even if severely weakened or watered down. Is the exact reason you don't drag them every day. You just leak "frustrated meetings" and leak all the stories we have read about fellow Dems demanding those 2 lay out their terms and stop stonewalling.

[Kirby101]

Simple; you isolate Manchin and Sinema and instead find Republicans who may be interested in working with you, even though that itself is a tall order. He's given those two, and those two alone, way more power than they deserve.

There are no Republicans that will vote for those things. The GOP is a unified to stop any Biden initiative and take back power. "Isolating" Manchin will backfire, if he switched Parties, McConnell takes over the Senate and nothing will be done, they won't even confirm Judges.
He has not given them too much power, the American people did that when they voted for a 50/50 Senate where every Democratic Senate vote is necessary to pass anything.

[Kirby101]

Stand up to them by having a meeting and letting them know "Hey this just aint going to fly any more." Dont have to be a big public thing. Dont put it in the press. But let the two of them know they are holding a lot of crap up that pretty much every member of their party and a lot of Americans are for. The thing is yes they were voted in by their state but they work In the United States Senate and that means they need to look at all of America not just in their own state.

I never said anything about getting GOP support. I know that is pretty much never going to happen. Dont put word in my mouth. I just said the last part of his statement was true not all of it.

He has met with them repeatedly, they have not come around, there is not much he can do to them. Nothing you are saying they haven't heard. But the voices of their rich donors is louder.

[babyblob]

He has met with them repeatedly, they have not come around, there is not much he can do to them. Nothing you are saying they haven't heard. But the voices of their rich donors is louder.

Sadly rich Donors have way to much control of things. Sadly that is how it has pretty much always been and I dont see that changing any time soon. That is something both sides other then a few members are eager to fix.

[kidfresh512]

The whole thing is pretty crazy and comes back to a point I made months ago, these talking heads and loud mouth conservatives aren't serious people.

They literally say one thing and completely do the opposite because of appearances.

They actually know what they are saying and what they stand for isn't right, true, or correct but they just go along with it to "own the libs". It's pathetic.

The worst part is even with this stuff coming out now from the Jan 6th commission it wont effect them. It proves we did need the commission and they need to use every means necessary to force more documentation. They fight tooth and nail not to let any of this stuff get out but, honestly their supporters don't care. Fox News viewers don't care that these opinion hosts are hypocrites either.

[Kirby101]

Sadly rich Donors have way to much control of things. Sadly that is how it has pretty much always been and I dont see that changing any time soon. That is something both sides other then a few members are eager to fix.

They did try to fix it to an extant. There was a bipartisan law that limited corporate contributions, McCain-Feingold. The Right Wing Supreme Court decided that Corporations were people and have the same rights as citizens and therefore their influence in elections could not be limited. Citizens United was a stake in the heart of Democracy.