All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Xheight]

Its funny how the two on Fox News are yelling about their privacy being violated and people dont have rights when they are fine running with a story from other people's leaked emails and texts. I say screw them. This shows what most people knew. They are two faced liars who will say what ever it takes to get ratings and suck up to a mindless base of QOP idiots for money and rating s and a vain attempt to get people to take them seriously.

Are you sure you aren't talking about CNN? They have opinionators aplenty https://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/o...ail/index.html deploy the wahtaboutisms!

2016 -

Trump’s response: ‘RIGGED’
Republican nominee Donald Trump, however, said the emails were proof of the Democrats’ “rigged” system, resurfacing an attack he’s leveled against the party before.

“Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED,” Trump tweeted Saturday morning.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/polit...aks/index.html

[Kirby101]

And demonstrates how much power Trump actually had over the situation and his deliberate unwillingness to stop it. Sort of like a policeman who stands and watches a violent mugging without interfering. I’d think some sort of criminal charges would apply there.

More like a cop who causes the mugging and stands by as it happens.

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And demonstrates how much power Trump actually had over the situation and his deliberate unwillingness to stop it. Sort of like a policeman who stands and watches a violent mugging without interfering. I’d think some sort of criminal charges would apply there.

And remember, at the end of the day, when the Capitol police had finally managed to clear the insurgents from the building, Trump make a public statement in which he told the occupying mob that "We love you, you're very special."

[Xheight]

Marc Elias, a lawyer who has filed and defended cases on behalf of Democrats, keeps a tally on the outcome of the election cases.
"It is 63 losses by Trump and his allies," Elias told PolitiFact the morning of Jan. 8. "We treat each case separately — so if there is a federal case and a state case, we treat them as two cases. We only ever count a case one time — so if there is an appeal or remand, we do not treat that as a separate loss."

Look who is involved in these cases.

but then there is according to a report, there are

a total of 80 election fraud lawsuits, 34 of which have been withdrawn, consolidated with other similar cases, or "dismissed due to legal technicalities such as lack of standing, timing, or jurisdiction." These dismissed cases indicate that the judges in charge never even looked at the evidence of election fraud, as the evidence was not allowed to be presented in court. These are the most questionable cases because contrary to media reports, there is actually evidence, the judges just refused to hear it.
In addition, 25 cases are currently ongoing, while 21 election lawsuits heard in court have been adjudicated, meaning that the arguments have been heard, the evidence presented, and a formal ruling has been served.

http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Electio...tion_Cases.htm

The courts have blocked discovery? Actually, the courts have tossed the cases because (1) the people bringing the cases had no grounds to be a plaintiff or the courts in which the motions were filed had no jurisdiction over the matter, or (2) the plaintiffs had no actual evidence to substantiate their claims other than affidavits which made claims that couldn't be substantiated (or in many cases hadn't even been investigated by the plaintiffs). As for "ballots have been cleaned of ID". I don't understand what you mean. Ballots are prohibited from being associated with the voters who cast them. What is a fact is that all hand counts of the actual paper ballots have confirmed the results that were certified in each State.

No grounds to be plaintiff? see above, Judges have hidden behind standing to accelerate the process of confirming rather than consider or delay.

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No grounds to be plaintiff? see above, Judges have hidden behind standing to accelerate the process of confirming rather than consider or delay.

The US Supreme Court rejected the challenge to the Pennsylvania election that was filed by the Texas Attorney General (with a bunch of Republican Attorneys General from other States signed on). That was the suit that Donald Trump had promised his supporters would be "the big one". The Texas Attorney General had filed suit, complaining that the election results in Pennsylvania (which he asserted were invalid) reduced the impact of the Texas vote (which he of course believed to be properly cast). The Supreme Court refused to hear the case, maintaining that Texas had no standing in an election conducted in Pennsylvania. The Supreme Court justices were not "hiding behind standing". They were simply pointing out that the plaintiff had no standing to file suit.

[Mister Mets]

Actually, instead of "using their platforms" to make their case, they should be presenting their evidence to law enforcement officials and to the courts. Oh wait, when they do that their claims are kicked out for lack of actual evidence. So yeah, they will have to rely on "using their platforms", i.e., posting to the Internet and going on right-wing TV and radio programs to repeat their "The election was stolen through fraud!" big lie.

Playing devil's advocate to discuss an absurd position gets into some absurd defenses.

If there was evidence, obviously they could bring it to authorities, many of whom would be ecstatic to publicize it. Earlier, xheight referred to a blueprint for stealing the 2020 election in getting a group to find registered voters to pay them twenty bucks a pop to vote for their candidate. For this to happen in Wisconsin, Democrats would need 21,000 voters, and a minimum of several dozen operatives, all of whom would be potential witnesses. So if Hannity or Carlson found evidence of something like that, there are conservative prosecutors eager to look into it.

Someone can try to make the argument that sometimes prosecutors fail. We've seen cases where prosecutors hush up a sensitive story until it blows up. Sometimes it does take media attention to push prosecutors to do the right thing (and in some cases to get new prosecutors to look into it.) So Hannity and Carlson would have multiple options.

Missing because the the courts have blocked discovery or missing because they ballots have been cleaned of ID? When the system won't help then the system is part of the problem. It took weeks to just identify some of the election workers involved in questionable activities.

I think it's missing because it's non-existent.

If there's a hint of a cover-up, Carlson, Hannity and other media figures could spotlight unresolved questions. They have a major platform available.

Standing and timing are perfectly valid reasons for refusing to hear a case. For instance, the GOP in Pennsylvania challenged the law under which the election was carried out in that State. However. timing is everything - that law had been passed over two years earlier (by a GOP-controlled legislature!!!), and it had already been used in previous elections, including the GOP's own primary in the spring. It wasn't until they lost the general election in the fall that the Republican Party declared that the law was invalid. As the court pointed out, they had plenty of time to make that case before the election, and the fact that they didn't (as well as the fact that they conducted their own primary under that law, with no complaint) renders their after-the-fact suit moot.

This is true. There's a reason for procedure.

[Xheight]

More like a cop who causes the mugging and stands by as it happens.

FILE - In this May 30, 2020, file photo, protesters demonstrate as a Salt Lake City police vehicle burns, in Salt Lake City. Investigators studied video footage to find Jackson Stuart Tamowski Patton, 26, who is accused of tossing a combustible substance into the patrol car, feeding the flames that destroyed it, prosecutors said in court documents. The Department of Justice is using aggressive tactics against those it has charged in the civil unrest over racism. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, File)

Princeton University group studies 3 months of Black Lives Matter protests. Intent is to show they are ‘overwhelmingly peaceful.’ But report reveals nearly 570 violent demonstrations–riots–in nearly 220 locations spread all across country. https://t.co/it60GBbTZT pic.twitter.com/Ph8iECyHIf

Videos of Democrats during the Trump administration calling for their supporters to confront Republicans physically or warning of “civil unrest” on the streets are still active on Twitter.
Rep. Maxine Waters, Rep. Ted Lieu, Sen. Cory Booker, Rep. Joaquin Castro, Sen. Jon Tester, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have all made comments suggesting violence or confrontations against Republicans. All of their Twitter accounts remain active, while the videos themselves are also circulating on the massive social media site.

not sure if those videos are still up or have been scrubbed from history.

Mayor Ted Wheeler recently condemned the actions of some protesters, including attempts to set fire to police union headquarters.
"When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder," he said, according to The Washington Post.

[Mister Mets]

My response? TOUGH! The virus is still here, people are still getting sick, and people are still dying. People need to stop whining about COVID fatigue because it’s not going anywhere anytime soon, if at all. People have to continue following rules that’s keeping them alive and out of the hospital and, subsequently, out of the grave.

Governors and state legislators have to worry about midterm elections.

But we do also have to balance protection with liberty. If people want to take the risk, that is largely up to them. We shouldn't exaggerate the problem, and pretend that a vaccinated person under sixty has anything close to a one percent chance of going to the grave because of Covid if they go to public places without masks.

Its funny how the two on Fox News are yelling about their privacy being violated and people dont have rights when they are fine running with a story from other people's leaked emails and texts. I say screw them. This shows what most people knew. They are two faced liars who will say what ever it takes to get ratings and suck up to a mindless base of QOP idiots for money and rating s and a vain attempt to get people to take them seriously.

If the situation were reversed (say Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid), and liberal commentators had some emails leaked, I suspect the Fox News hosts would be pretty eager to note the differences between what's said publicly and what's said privately.

For example, I don't think they've been very respectful of Chris Cuomo's privacy.

Jim Jordan sent one of the texts to Mark Meadows highlighted this week by the Jan. 6 panel.

It's not illegal for a congressman to be stupid and wrong.

[Tami]

It's not illegal for a congressman to be stupid and wrong.

It may be if there is more to his involvement that just this text. We still don't know everything that the 1/6 Committee has already collected.

[kidfresh512]

It may be if there is more to his involvement that just this text. We still don't know everything that the 1/6 Committee has already collected.

And testimony and pointed questioning can deliver more as well. Which is why these people must continue to be held in contempt if they dont comply.

[Jack Dracula]

More like a cop who causes the mugging and stands by as it happens.

I mean, you're not wrong, but I was thinking more of something he could be unequivocally charged for.
Right now, he has the plausible deniability of only having participated in the rally and sending people to the Capitol while not being legally responsible for what they did when they got there.
We all know he riled them up with charged, violently suggestive rhetoric and pointed them at the Capitol, but without an email or text or memo from him saying it was the plan to make them attack and enter with intent to cause harm, he can't be prosecuted. He's too fucking slippery for that. He's like an eel that secretes mucus to escape predators.

FILE - In this May 30, 2020, file photo, protesters demonstrate as a Salt Lake City police vehicle burns, in Salt Lake City. Investigators studied video footage to find Jackson Stuart Tamowski Patton, 26, who is accused of tossing a combustible substance into the patrol car, feeding the flames that destroyed it, prosecutors said in court documents. The Department of Justice is using aggressive tactics against those it has charged in the civil unrest over racism. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, File)



not sure if those videos are still up or have been scrubbed from history.

Not sure what this has to do with the conversation.

[Mister Mets]

The Associated Press has done an exhaustive investigation into allegations of voter fraud, and they've found evidence of it.

475 cases of fraud!

However, this is nowhere close enough to tip the election to Trump, or to suggest that allegations of a stolen election have merit.

https://apnews.com/article/voter-fra...&utm_medium=AP

An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 — a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.

Democrat Joe Biden won Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and their 79 Electoral College votes by a combined 311,257 votes out of 25.5 million ballots cast for president. The disputed ballots represent just 0.15% of his victory margin in those states.

The cases could not throw the outcome into question even if all the potentially fraudulent votes were for Biden, which they were not, and even if those ballots were actually counted, which in most cases they were not.

The review also showed no collusion intended to rig the voting. Virtually every case was based on an individual acting alone to cast additional ballots.

The findings build on a mountain of other evidence that the election wasn’t rigged, including verification of the results by Republican governors.

The AP review, a process that took months and encompassed more than 300 local election offices, is one the most comprehensive examinations of suspected voter fraud in last year’s presidential election. It relies on information collected at the local level, where officials must reconcile their ballots and account for discrepancies, and includes a handful of separate cases cited by secretaries of state and state attorneys general.

Trump promises explosive news to come.

Contacted for comment, Trump repeated a litany of unfounded claims of fraud he had made previously, but offered no new evidence that specifically contradicted the AP’s reporting. He said a soon-to-come report from a source he would not disclose would support his case, and insisted increased mail voting alone had opened the door to cheating that involved “hundreds of thousands of votes.”

Big if true.

[babyblob]

The Associated Press has done an exhaustive investigation into allegations of voter fraud, and they've found evidence of it.

475 cases of fraud!

However, this is nowhere close enough to tip the election to Trump, or to suggest that allegations of a stolen election have merit.

https://apnews.com/article/voter-fra...&utm_medium=AP



Trump promises explosive news to come.



Big if true.

But its not true. it is a cry baby of a human that can not handle being beaten because of his ego and in his mind he is the greatest president of all time.

He needs to stay in the news and keep his base riled up so every once in awhile he will drop a comment of the big steal and he has proof. Just wait a little bigt he will show it. Any day now and he will show it, just a bit longer.... And he never does.

[Tami]

The Associated Press has done an exhaustive investigation into allegations of voter fraud, and they've found evidence of it.

475 cases of fraud!

However, this is nowhere close enough to tip the election to Trump, or to suggest that allegations of a stolen election have merit.

https://apnews.com/article/voter-fra...&utm_medium=AP



Trump promises explosive news to come.



Big if true.

How many times has Trump waved the 'Big News' flag in front of reporters and his base like the promise of a huge slab of red meat to a starving lion, only to have it be a BigMac that he's eating with french fries? He's done that so many times, it's become a meme. That's how he keeps his name in the news, by making big promises that he never follows through with.

[babyblob]

Meanwhile my Local Fox news station has gone from real reporting on the storms and tornados to flat put destruction porn. it is 32 minutes into the night news cast and they have cut to the same reporter in Mayfield just at different places going "Oh wow look at this house! Gone." "Look at this house. Some one died here!" "Look here there are two cats walking around this damaged house. I wonder if the owners lived here I wonder if they are even alive?" No reporting on anything. Just walking around shoing people broken homes going "Oh look at this look at this a stuffed animal, a Christmas tree! Isnt this sad?"