All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Kirby101]

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[Mister Mets]

I find all of those actions equally deplorable and would be for sanctions against us a home here as well, but I know it won't happen either.



It doesn't seem weird at all...because all the other abuses are in fact called out equally if you're listening.

Israel is called out three times more by the United Nations than any other country. This only makes sense if you believe they should be held to a higher standard.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...-rest-of-world

[babyblob]

Putin is doing everything he can to control the narrative of the invasion with in Russian boarders.

According to Cnn

More then 2600 protesters have been arrested across Russia thus far. Moscow Police are stationed outside of the Ukrainian Embassy to prevent citizens from showing support. Flowers and cards left there are taken down as fast as possible.

Independent News organizations in the country are being told if they keep using words like Invasion, Ukrainian army, Ukrainian President, Ukrainian Resistance is stiffer then expected, that their access to government officials and citizens will be limited and they may find themselves removed from the country.

This is the man that Trump called a genius, Tucker praises.

[JB]

China, India and the United Arab Emirates abstained from a vote at the UN to rebuke Russia over the invasion. I think there should be consequences for that but sadly there won't.

Makes sense with all the economic ties those three countries have with Russia.

Instead of people waiting to hear where China stands (they've already made their choice), they should be watching as China creeps its way closer to Taiwan while everyone is looking at Ukraine.

The US has a lot of experience with this sort of action from the aggressor side. Cuba, Bay of Pigs, Missile Crisis, Nicaragua and lately Venezuela. Maduro in Venezuela even pledged to provide military support to Russia, so he's certainly aspiring to be the new Castro. Even though international rules tend to favor or legitimize the military adventures of the USA and its allies, it still has a devastating effect on our culture and politics and, of course, on the weaker nations our armies attack.

The “good guys” in the fight are the people in these nations facing devastation and chaos and their leaders that actually face the same risks due to the games of the superpowers.

I do wonder if Putin is willing to face an Afghan-like resistance (or even European style WW2 type of resistance) for an extended occupation of a hostile region. In this case, economic sanctions would be a deterrent, wouldn’t it? Ukraine would become the Ireland or Northern Ireland of the Russian Empire only Ukrainian militants don’t need to take a boat to get to Moscow.

They’d need money to maintain that sort of occupation and it would be a continuous drain on their military. The endgame for Russia may be to negotiate a peace with Western Ukrainian neutrality and Eastern “Donbas” regions incorporated into the Russian Federation. Again, though, that would essentially create an “IRA” or “Basque” type of resistance likely to have plenty of support from Russia’s enemies.

Even if Russia gets everything it wants from military action, will they really want what they get?

I agree with what's in bold. I don't think he wants the whole of Ukraine in its present state as it has a deeply struggling economy. But absorbing the Donbas regions will bolster Russia's border and he'd have his hands on a high producing industrial area.

"Donbas represents one of the largest coal reserves in Ukraine having estimated reserves of 60 billion tonnes of coal. Prior to the start of the region's war in April 2014, Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts together produced about 30 percent of Ukraine's exports.

Other industries in the Donetsk region which may overlap Donbas include blast-furnace and steel-making equipment, railway freight-cars, metal-cutting machine-tools, tunneling machines, agricultural harvesters and ploughing systems, railway tracks, mining cars, electric locomotives, military vehicles, tractors and excavators. The region also produces consumer goods like household washing-machines, refrigerators, freezers, TV sets, leather footwear, and toilet soap. Over half its production is exported and about 22% is exported to Russia."

[Tendrin]

NEW: David Shafer, one of the GA Rs who served as a fake elector on behalf of Trump after the 2020 election, told the 1/6 committee today that the Trump campaign directed the GA GOP in 2020 to put forward an alternate slate of electors after Donald Trump lost the state.

Totally a surprise. :P

https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/s...46222922866693

[Malvolio]

So it's all about greed. Mostly on Putin's part. Not surprising, but still sad.

[thwhtGuardian]

Israel is called out three times more by the United Nations than any other country. This only makes sense if you believe they should be held to a higher standard.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...-rest-of-world

If we're talking UN resolutions versus what the general person believes, then it makes sense that they have more resolutions passed against them. I mean, Israel presents itself as a modern western government so the hope is that if the UN brings it up they'll address it so it could lead to progress...whereas what does sanctioning Myanmar or North Korea get you? You're just talking to a brick wall there.

[Mister Mets]

If we're talking UN resolutions versus what the general person believes, then it makes sense that they have more resolutions passed against them. I mean, Israel presents itself as a modern western government so the hope is that if the UN brings it up they'll address it so it could lead to progress...whereas what does sanctioning Myanmar or North Korea get you? You're just talking to a brick wall there.

I understand the argument that Israel is a better country than China, Russia, Egypt or Iran, but that should be made explicitly. And it does mean that abuses are not called out equally.

[Mister Mets]

Putin is doing everything he can to control the narrative of the invasion with in Russian boarders.

According to Cnn

More then 2600 protesters have been arrested across Russia thus far. Moscow Police are stationed outside of the Ukrainian Embassy to prevent citizens from showing support. Flowers and cards left there are taken down as fast as possible.

Independent News organizations in the country are being told if they keep using words like Invasion, Ukrainian army, Ukrainian President, Ukrainian Resistance is stiffer then expected, that their access to government officials and citizens will be limited and they may find themselves removed from the country.

This is the man that Trump called a genius, Tucker praises.

I hope this ends Putin, Trump and Tucker, in different ways. Putin should be tried for war crimes. Tucker and Trump should lose support.

[Malvolio]

If we're talking UN resolutions versus what the general person believes, then it makes sense that they have more resolutions passed against them. I mean, Israel presents itself as a modern western government so the hope is that if the UN brings it up they'll address it so it could lead to progress...whereas what does sanctioning Myanmar or North Korea get you? You're just talking to a brick wall there.

It's a similar situation to people who would criticize Hillary Clinton in 2016, but not Donald Trump. The notion would be that Hillary Clinton might actually address the criticism, while Trump would just attack the critic.

[Malvolio]

I hope this ends Putin, Trump and Tucker, in different ways. Putin should be tried for war crimes. Tucker and Trump should lose support.

Trump is already losing support.

[thwhtGuardian]

I understand the argument that Israel is a better country than China, Russia, Egypt or Iran, but that should be made explicitly. And it does mean that abuses are not called out equally.

...it is explicit because everyone knows its useless to talk those other countries.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Ukraine is asking for help and receiving non. Why did Biden spent the time and money to send 7000 troops? I'd rather the US not get involved in another war but what was the point of these troops? Just to scare Putin from invading?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Ukraine is asking for help and receiving non. Why did Biden spent the time and money to send 7000 troops? I'd rather the US not get involved in another war but what was the point of these troops? Just to scare Putin from invading?

In case Putin thinks he can sideswipe a NATO member. Better safe than sorry

[Tami]

Ukraine is asking for help and receiving non. Why did Biden spent the time and money to send 7000 troops? I'd rather the US not get involved in another war but what was the point of these troops? Just to scare Putin from invading?

The troops are a part of NATO, they are being sent to NATO countries in case they are needed and to help with refugees. There is no treaty between Ukraine and the US that would allow the US to enter Ukraine with a military force. Biden's hands are tied. If Putin decided to send troops into, say, Poland, then Biden can, under Article 5, allow the troops to react and defend Poland.

If Ukraine makes it into NATO, then the situation changes.