All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[hyped78]

Because it was a specific scenario in a specific context and the reply was pretty plainly bad faith as it was.

Hmm Hmm

"reply was pretty plainly bad faith" - it wasn't, but whatever you say has to be correct, right?

You even made a joke about an imaginary bingo, but yet I'm the one in bad faith, hmm hmm.

[Tendrin]

Hmm Hmm

"reply was pretty plainly bad faith" - it wasn't, but whatever you say has to be correct, right?

No, I can be as wrong as anyone else. In fact, I can be as wrong as a guy who's been repeating right-wing propaganda all morning. It's been known to happen.

Still, a pretty obviously trollish response, all the same.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Ah, I see where you are coming from now and will no longer engage in discussion with you.

Lol, you can usually tell what someone's views are by the language they use, even if they claim otherwise.

[Tendrin]

Lol, you can usually tell what someone's views are by the language they use, even if they claim otherwise.

Oh yeah. 'Woke' is a pretty huge tell these days.

[hyped78]

There is not near enough out reach for Latino voters. And when Latinos vote GOP in elections it is down played. "No that is the Florida Latinos. The ones scared of socialism."

Latinos account for 52% of all US population growth between 2010 and 2020. In electoral terms (and not just in that, of course, but in all facets of life and society) they are going to be "the" group in upcoming decades. Democrats can't afford to lose those votes.

[hyped78]

No, I can be as wrong as anyone else. In fact, I can be as wrong as a guy who's been repeating right-wing propaganda all morning. It's been known to happen.

Still, a pretty obviously trollish response, all the same.

And you call me a "troll" again - who engages in bad faith, after all? You've insulted me repeatedly, as if that scores any brownie points.

[hyped78]

Lol, you can usually tell what someone's views are by the language they use, even if they claim otherwise.

Let's qualify people into silos, because there's only left and right, white and black, up and down, us vs. them, friendly vs. enemy! Of course...

[hyped78]

Oh yeah. 'Woke' is a pretty huge tell these days.

I'm sorry you don't like the term. I didn't invent it (before I'm accused of that or something)

[JB]

I am one of the dont play nice crowd. But there is a huge jump between not playing nice and attacking people over their records and statements and attacking someone over their race or gender or sexual orientation religion etc.. The problem is some people like this ass clown dont see the difference. And in the long run he is hurting the Democrats even more because they do have an issue with Latino voters and this will just anger them even more and rightly so. Now the Democrat party is has to speak out against him. And if they diont then they are painted rightfuly so as being oaky with this type of thing. Or if they dont speak our fast enough or give a half assed statement they will be accused of paying lip service. I made the big thing with Mets. The GOP needs to speak out against their racist base and elected officials for psoing and supporting hate groups and hate. if the Dems cant do that also they are talking out of their ass in a big way and also need to be called out on it.

And you are right had a GOP done this we would be losing our minds here.

I appreciate your responses. People don't have to agree on everything to have an important discussion.

There is not near enough out reach for Latino voters. And when Latinos vote GOP in elections it is down played. "No that is the Florida Latinos. The ones scared of socialism."

You're right and it's a common complaint that we're not being listened to. Or that voters got fooled by Republican ads on the radio because they're too dumb to understand better. It's at the point where with the quality of the current outreach, just don't even bother.

[Panfoot]

I don't know, I feel like when Trump put his foot in his mouth every other day it was headline news, as deserved. I do agree with calling out all awful behavior and yes, the Democrats can be more vocal about that.

There's just been very little outreach to the Hispanic community from the administration and when there is, it's horribly bungled. Hyped78 isn't wrong that we're the fastest growing demographic but you wouldn't think so by how little our contribution is highlighted.

Thing is though while Trumps racist and bigoted comments got into the news, they were then pushed out by the next one, and the next one, etc. every day and eventually became normalized. It filtered down and goes all through the Republican party and happens on a daily basis, you'll get an article here and there but it never gets condemned by the Republican party and gets washed away fast. It's not reprehensible comments for Republicans, it's a selling point.

[hyped78]

I appreciate your responses. People don't have to agree on everything to have an important discussion.

True. But unfortunately some folks with radical ideas/ agendas don't see that, or don't want to see that. Some good examples on this thread.

[hyped78]

Thing is though while Trumps racist and bigoted comments got into the news, they were then pushed out by the next one, and the next one, etc.

It should've stopped here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-finds-n627736

[Mister Mets]

And with no evidence left you assume they are still being malicious about it when you assume others aren't who clearly are (Mitch McConnell, Ron DeSantis, etc). Well at least you're consistent in your assumptions: Liberals = Malicious and hiding their true beliefs, Conservatives = Doing what they feel best for kids and country with no maliciousness, regardless of the lies and misinformation they use to excuse themselves. If you don't want to admit why you feel this way or even analyze it then that's your choice, but it's not something I intend to forget.

As I keep saying, there is a specific definition to malicious compliance. It is distinct from maliciousness. I'm pretty sure DeSantis and McConnell are capable of malicious compliance, but I'm unaware of a situation where they seem to follow the text of a law in a way that is meant to provoke a backlash against it. They've got different resources available.

[Tendrin]

And you call me a "troll" again - who engages in bad faith, after all? You've insulted me repeatedly, as if that scores any brownie points.

I said the response was trollish and you already acknowledged that it was, so.

[hyped78]

I said the response was trollish and you already acknowledged that it was, so.

The problem is that you (and not just you but all the other "woke" folks here as well; if you don't like that term - I didn't invent it - we can say "politically correct" or whatever works) get easily offended by different opinions and just decide to dismiss, make fun of and insult. That's not democracy.

I didn't acknowledge it was 'trollish' btw, I said I was messing with you because you get easily offended by different opinions and by anything that doesn't fit the mold.

It's like when I made a comment about the "they" pronouns, you were ready to pounce... because if someone doesn't agree with the use of "they" as a singular pronoun, well then that person is a troll (let me guess, this is accurate?)
If I say that trans athletes competing as women is a dumb idea... you will probably call me a troll as well etc.