All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[hyped78]

This is gonna be my last post on the matter:

This is what I meant when I say you've been swinging at other posters in literally every post you've made since you got here. Insulting, and then crying 'woke mob' over it the whole god damn time. It's enough, and everyone who was there knew what you were up to from the start of it.

Insulting? I was the one doing the insulting? You're extremely funny

"woke", as I showed, was a term even used by Obama to criticize the radical left, what's the problem?

Do you know how many posts today on twitter are tagged #staywoke?

[Tendrin]

The staff are free to work there, or not to work there. If the library doesn't align with their values, they're free to search for jobs elsewhere. It's the same with Netflix staff... or just about any other company.

Why would I work for a company that doesn't align with my values?

Maybe it was more about the harassment from the so-called community for having seven LGBT kids books in the library, which was apparently seven too many for the so-called Christians in the community.

Once again, it'd behoove you to actually read the stuff you comment on.

[hyped78]

Maybe it was more about the harassment from the so-called community for having seven LGBT kids books in the library, which was apparently seven too many for the so-called Christians in the community.

Once again, it'd behoove you to actually read the stuff you comment on.

More insulting?

I read it and commented it on it nicely, do you have a problem with it?

[Tendrin]

More insulting?

I read it and commented it on it nicely, do you have a problem with it?

Your comment had literally nothing to do with what was in the article. If I did that, I'd expect pushback, and I'd deserve it.

They were harassed out of their jobs. Do you not know much about what's happening in Iowa right now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-republicans

edits: Sheesh, frigging phone.

[hyped78]

Your comment had literally nothing to do with what was in the article. If I did that, I'd expect pushback, and I'd deserve it.

They were harassed out of their jobs. Do you not know much about what's happening in Iowa right now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-republicans

edits: Sheesh, frigging phone.

You're right, I apologize and stand corrected (as you see, no need to get riled).

Let me change to: Even if you don't agree with them, the community have the right to (peacefully, which doesn't seem to be the case!) protest against the library selection and the other things

And why would I necessarily know what's happening in Iowa? I mean, I live in London, Iowa is almost the end of the world haha

[Tendrin]

Honestly, you also need to stop assuming I'm riled.

People have a right to protest, yes, but this was definitely not a case of 'protesting for change'.

[hyped78]

Honestly, you also need to stop assuming I'm riled.

The community has a right to protest, but 'mass harassment of library staff for supporting minorities to the point where they all resign' is definitely not the case, no.

No, mass harassment is not correct, no, we agree on that (I think everyone should agree on that). Stealing books is also not correct - it's mentioned somewhere that some citizens borrowed LGBTQ+ related books and never returned them on purpose

This, which is not LGBTQ+ related:
"The content complaints followed complaints last year the library had a children's book about Vice President Kamala Harris and one written by first lady Jill Biden, but no children's books about former President Donald Trump, according to Kelly. It resulted in McMahon's resignation, he said."

Unless there are NO existing children's books on Trump (and maybe there aren't, or there are but of poor quality, I don't know) then this does seem a bit biased.

[Tendrin]

No, mass harassment is not correct, no, we agree on that (I think everyone should agree on that). Stealing books is also not correct - it's mentioned somewhere that some citizens borrowed LGBTQ+ related books and never returned them on purpose

Yeah, that was a strategy employed by the far-right this pride month, pushed on twitter by far-right provocateurs and 'libs of tiktok' followers and so on.

[hyped78]

Yeah, that was a strategy employed by the far-right this pride month, pushed on twitter by far-right provocateurs and 'libs of tiktok' followers and so on.

The same happened in the Pride Parade here in London on July 2nd (btw, it was the biggest crowd anywhere in the world, for any event, since Covid). Some were protesting peacefully against it. Some were harassing and provoking. From what I saw, the protesters were generally in small groups and their voices weren't heard.

In fact, the only group protesting that had some expression was a group of anti-LGBT Muslims in Hyde Park and they were saying some things about LGBTQ+ that are straight from the middle ages (they do those rants quite often here in London).

[Mister Mets]

Get weapons of war off the streets and out of the hands of just about everyone.

So, bans on assault rifles and that's it.

Let's see.... demand change, attempt to introduce meaningful legislation to combat gun violence.... only to get shot down by Republicans in the Senate.

What are the changes being demanded?

God, it would be so nice if people could just admit when they're wrong and move the f**k on. I've done it, it isn't that hard.

Many of the arguments aren't resolvable that easily.

It obviously is a stunt to force rounded-up immigrants from large states to bus to cities (however large their populations) and expect them to succeed. If there's a solution to the immigration issue I'd love to see it, but again the reality is now there's way too much going on to expect effort and political capital to be spent to solve the issue.



In fairness discussions are (at least) a two-way street. If someone makes a statement and it's ignored then it's a post. If it's 6 pages it means people wanted to correct what they saw as a mistake or misinformation, and when insults are added (though again adding nothing to the conversation) you can expect the original poster will also respond back.

As far as minds made up, you could say the same about nearly every issue discussed on these boards. The whole point of the thread is discussion and the most lively discussions are going to be at the points where folks disagree. If we're to avoid that we might as well shut down the thread. Or again, make multiple Party Appreciation threads to stay in our own bubbles and avoid disagreement.

And it does happen occasionally that people change their minds, even if only slightly, or become better informed because they had a false impression that was corrected. But mostly it's a place to discuss or vent about the political issues of the day. Sometimes that's going to mean encountering different viewpoints and mostly you're never going to agree with them. And that's OK, it's as it should be.

There is an argument that cities are better able to absorb refugees. They have more resources like non-profits and robust government offices. And they sometimes have a record of policies favorable to undocumented immigrants.

When it isn't 6-10 pages of pointless arguing it does become difficult to ignore. Because the few posts with something to report about what's happening out there are drowned by a sea of two or more people saying the same thing to each other in increasingly heated ways.


I get the alternate view plenty. Between Mets, Zauriel, and Thirty this thread isn't hurting for alternate view points. People coming in to gloat cons won something then immediately ducking out isn't an alternate view. Neither is 6 pages on trans rights that amounts to two different posts of evidence where neither side considers the evidence of the other valid. Especially without the use of multi quote.

I'm not sure Zauriel, Thirty and I should be the only alternate view points.

Zauriel and Thirty generally criticize Democrats for not being ambitious or progressive enough.

That leaves me as the one person making standard Republican points but I didn't even vote for Trump.

Maybe it was more about the harassment from the so-called community for having seven LGBT kids books in the library, which was apparently seven too many for the so-called Christians in the community.

Once again, it'd behoove you to actually read the stuff you comment on.

Is there a political solution here? How do we respond to some people in a community being jerks?

[hyped78]

I'm not sure Zauriel, Thirty and I should be the only alternate view points.

Zauriel and Thirty generally criticize Democrats for not being ambitious or progressive enough.

That leaves me as the one person making standard Republican points but I didn't even vote for Trump.

So the conclusion is that this is obviously a biased group of folks/ biased thread that only mostly represents one side of the political spectrum (or certain various views from the same "side", is probably more accurate). That's obviously unfortunate and unhealthy, just leads to incessant confirmation bias and hatred for people who hold different views.

There's a reason why the word "bipartisan" or "bipartisanship" are positive concepts.

[CSTowle]

The staff are free to work there, or not to work there. If the library doesn't align with their values, they're free to search for jobs elsewhere. It's the same with Netflix staff... or just about any other company.

Why would I work for a company that doesn't align with my values?

Money. Only reason I've ever worked anywhere I've worked. I've never worked for a company that aggressively doesn't hold my values, like a gun store or a mega-church (luckily don't really have those in my neck of the woods, one of the least religious states in the Union) but most companies I've worked for are/were large enough that ownership is probably Republican.

Your comment had literally nothing to do with what was in the article. If I did that, I'd expect pushback, and I'd deserve it.

They were harassed out of their jobs. Do you not know much about what's happening in Iowa right now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-republicans

edits: Sheesh, frigging phone.

Passing a bill to allow rapist's families to sue on their behalf if their victim chooses not to have the rapist's child does seem like the "cruelty is the point" thing some were talking about. I can't think of a sane/rational reason for that level of cruelty, even if you see this as baby murder.

So, bans on assault rifles and that's it.

What are the changes being demanded?

Many of the arguments aren't resolvable that easily.



There is an argument that cities are better able to absorb refugees. They have more resources like non-profits and robust government offices. And they sometimes have a record of policies favorable to undocumented immigrants.

I'm not sure Zauriel, Thirty and I should be the only alternate view points.

Zauriel and Thirty generally criticize Democrats for not being ambitious or progressive enough.

That leaves me as the one person making standard Republican points but I didn't even vote for Trump.

Is there a political solution here? How do we respond to some people in a community being jerks?

And if we're talking about cities as a destination we could also point out diversity and local communities where they're more likely to feel comfortable than east-bum###k Arizona. But I was talking about a political stunt designed to harm immigrants and Democratically controlled large cities. It was a bad faith program, not looking for what's best for anyone (other than themselves).

So the conclusion is that this is obviously a biased group of folks/ biased thread that only mostly represents one side of the political spectrum (or certain various views from the same "side", is probably more accurate). That's obviously unfortunate and unhealthy, just leads to incessant confirmation bias and hatred for people who hold different views.

There's a reason why the word "bipartisan" or "bipartisanship" are positive concepts.

Just the way things fell. I couldn't tell you why people who would come to a site to talk about comic books would be more prone to being left/Democratic vs right/Republican, but it seems to be the case. At least for those who come here and also want to talk about politics. I myself have run out of things to say about most things comic book, usually ends up with the same discussions/recommendations. So usually I talk politics, or sports during football season, or movies/TV/etc. Just with folk who happen to share a hobby with me.

[hyped78]

Just the way things fell. I couldn't tell you why people who would come to a site to talk about comic books would be more prone to being left/Democratic vs right/Republican, but it seems to be the case. At least for those who come here and also want to talk about politics. I myself have run out of things to say about most things comic book, usually ends up with the same discussions/recommendations. So usually I talk politics, or sports during football season, or movies/TV/etc. Just with folk who happen to share a hobby with me.

Yes, it's quite interesting. And I'm not right/ Republican ("not that there's anything wrong with that", as Seinfeld would say) but clearly I'm more to the center than many of the folks here (nothing wrong that they're more to the left, we don't all have to be in the same boat).

Until recently, I was just reading and posting in the comic books sections (or games, TV) of the forum, I have to say I was quite surprised that most of the posters here are die-hard "progressives" (I hope that's an acceptable term, because I got attacked for saying "woke" or "wokesters" or whatever, and I'm pretty sure that if I say "socialists" the reaction would be similar)

[kidfresh512]

Texas charity that backs Trump’s stolen-election lie has deep ties to Ken Paxton

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is pretty familiar with Catherine Engelbrecht. He’s been a guest on her podcast, chatting about their shared passion: rooting out voter fraud. They both have gone to great lengths to try to support former President Donald Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

And when Engelbrecht, founder of the nonprofit True the Vote, has found herself in hot water, Paxton’s office has turned out to be a helpful ally.

Most recently, a state judge sided with Engelbrecht’s argument that it should be Paxton’s office — not a court — that should probe allegations made by a True the Vote donor who says he was swindled out of $2.5 million.

But more than a year after the case was dismissed, Paxton’s office won’t say whether it ever investigated the donor dispute. Last month, Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found that True the Vote had engaged in a series of questionable transactions that sent more than $1 million to Engelbrecht and other insiders, while failing to back up its voter fraud claims.

In the reporting of that story, Paxton’s office withheld financial documents and email communications from Reveal and issued contradictory and inaccurate statements about the nonprofit, which has been a leading voice in driving the voter fraud movement from the political fringes to the core of GOP ideology.

The embattled attorney general skated through a contested primary race this year. But he faces potential disbarment for attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, is under investigation by the FBI, is getting sued by whistleblowers in his office and awaits trial for a 7-year-old felony securities fraud indictment. In their lawsuit, former staff members have accused him of using his office to provide legal favors to an ally, saying he appointed a special prosecutor to target adversaries of a donor who was under investigation.

While it is hard to muster up any sympathy for these idiots who donated to these "Voter Fraud" campaign obvious money grabs MAGA world was running. This story does highlight the interconnected tendrils of the potential scams here. And Ken Paxton's laundry list of dirty dealings, and ongoing lawsuits and court cases from whistleblowers in his office.

Everyone in these Stop the Steal movements and Build the Wall private donation fundraisers has been scammed. But, hey keep on donating to dumb ass causes and crying when the obvious scam is revealed as a scam.

And if we're talking about cities as a destination we could also point out diversity and local communities where they're more likely to feel comfortable than east-bum###k Arizona. But I was talking about a political stunt designed to harm immigrants and Democratically controlled large cities. It was a bad faith program, not looking for what's best for anyone (other than themselves).

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Texas has 3 of top 10 largest cities in the U.S. Abbot is not interested in "immigrant comfort" and diversity as I am sure we both agree. It is a clear and obvious political stunt and anyone claiming otherwise is operating a bad faith argument.

[babyblob]

Texas charity that backs Trump’s stolen-election lie has deep ties to Ken Paxton

While it is hard to muster up any sympathy for these idiots who donated to these "Voter Fraud" campaign obvious money grabs MAGA world was running. This story does highlight the interconnected tendrils of the potential scams here. And Ken Paxton's laundry list of dirty dealings, and ongoing lawsuits and court cases from whistleblowers in his office.

Everyone in these Stop the Steal movements and Build the Wall private donation fundraisers has been scammed. But, hey keep on donating to dumb ass causes and crying when the obvious scam is revealed as a scam.

My aunt donated a pretty good amount of money to the stop the steal fund. Sadly the only reason she feels ripped off is because the Corrupt judges threw out the law suits. Not because Trump and his cronies grifted her. but because the Judges and lawmakers in the pocket of the Libs stole her money. Sadly a lot of her friends in the cult feel the same.

Texas has 3 of top 10 largest cities in the U.S. Abbot is not interested in "immigrant comfort" and diversity as I am sure we both agree. It is a clear and obvious political stunt and anyone claiming otherwise is operating a bad faith argument.

For Abbott is is win win. He makes a public show of bussing the immigrants to other cities to show his state he is doing something about the Illegal problem. And since he is sending them to Democrat cities he is owning the libs at the same time. DC is having issues? Well those damn dems wanted them all here. let them have a taste of their own medicine. And it lets the GOP put put the narritve "The Democrats are fine with illegals as long as someone else has to take care of them. The second they have to it is a huge problem."