All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Mister Mets]

I wouldn't take a socialist like Ryan Knight seriously but there's always Andrew Yang's new political party. Not sure how well it'll do though.

Yang's likely going about this the wrong way.

The American political system makes it pretty easy for motivated people to have an outsized impact on primaries. A third party is based on the idea that you would somehow have more appeal to a much larger group of people when you couldn't get a much smaller group to have an impact in primaries.

A smarter way to push for reforms would be to support nonpartisan initiatives and/ or endorse candidates who meet particular ethics standards. This way you're not as offputting to the majority of voters who are partisan.

[babyblob]

Did anyone see Trumps statements on9/11?

The Saudi backed LIV is having a golf Tournament at The Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster. or course there are several 9/11 families there protesting. Trump was asked about the families protesting and he said

"Nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11 unfortunately" "WHAT?!!!"

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Seems like they are going for a very centrist approach. Seems the big names attached in the launch of it are 2 former Republican Congress members and Andrew Yang. They seem to really focus on stuff like open primaries and ranked choice voting, but the rest of their platform is vague to non-existent. They do mention in their washington post op-ed



Which...yeah, is just some "both sides" garbage.

Sounds to me like this so-called ‘Forward Party’ doesn’t want to have a firm opinion on any major topic, because, in these highly partisan times, they’d piss off either the left or the right and thus, lose that segment of the voting public. However, sitting on the fence isn’t going to earn this party any traction. Just my opinion.

[Malvolio]

A third party might have a chance, but they have to understand that it can only grow from the ground up, not from the top down. You need to get your people on school boards and city councils before you move up to state legislatures and then finally put up candidates for the House or Senate. They've done it that way in Vermont. That's how we got Senator Bernie Sanders. But you have to be patient. It's not going to happen overnight, and in states like NY or CA where the Democratic Party has a lot of power or TX or FL where the Republican Party has a lot of power, it could take decades for it to happen.

[Tami]

Anything that has Yang running things is gonna fail. I don't like him and I don't trust him.

[numberthirty]

Anything that has Yang running things is gonna fail. I don't like him and I don't trust him.

We are talking about the guy who was still a part of the nomination process after the current Vice President had already dropped out, right?

[numberthirty]

Seems like they are going for a very centrist approach. Seems the big names attached in the launch of it are 2 former Republican Congress members and Andrew Yang. They seem to really focus on stuff like open primaries and ranked choice voting, but the rest of their platform is vague to non-existent. They do mention in their washington post op-ed

On guns, for instance, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to confiscate all guns and repeal the Second Amendment, but they’re also rightfully worried by the far right’s insistence on eliminating gun laws. On climate change, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to completely upend our economy and way of life, but they also reject the far right’s denial that there is even a problem. On abortion, most Americans don’t agree with the far left’s extreme views on late-term abortions, but they also are alarmed by the far right’s quest to make a woman’s choice a criminal offense.

Which...yeah, is just some "both sides" garbage.

To the usual suspects in this thread?

I'd imagine it does.

To your average American?

I'd guess that the bulk of them would see that as a pretty sensible take.

[Kirby101]

We are talking about the guy who was still a part of the nomination process after the current Vice President had already dropped out, right?

Not dropping out when you aren't getting any votes is not a positive sign.

Trump hasn't conceded he lost yet, you must think he is the picture of strength.

[numberthirty]

Not dropping out when you aren't getting any votes is not a positive sign.

Trump hasn't conceded he lost yet, you must think he is the picture of strength.

Since that is a complete non-issue?

Can't say I have given it so much as a second's thought.

Meanwhile, out in the actual reality where Yang is at least going to attempt to start this thing?

I would not discount a guy who stayed in the nomination process for as long as he did.

Never mind that this was on his platform back then...

18 Year Term Limit for Supreme Court Justices

[babyblob]

While I do support a try to get a new party off the ground to challenge what is happening now. Yang is not doing it because of policy. That statement kind of shows they dont seem to have one.

On guns, for instance, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to confiscate all guns and repeal the Second Amendment, but they’re also rightfully worried by the far right’s insistence on eliminating gun laws. On climate change, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to completely upend our economy and way of life, but they also reject the far right’s denial that there is even a problem. On abortion, most Americans don’t agree with the far left’s extreme views on late-term abortions, but they also are alarmed by the far right’s quest to make a woman’s choice a criminal offense.

It really seems like the party is not making a stance so they can kind of chance it when they want.


But He seems to be starting this party out of spite. So I question how long it will last when it doesnt get the traction, press and support he feels it should.

[useridgoeshere]

We are talking about the guy who was still a part of the nomination process after the current Vice President had already dropped out, right?

Does that mean anything other than he was more willing to sink money into his campaign for attention? He won 0 delegates despite getting a ton of press and social media buzz. His media presence is much larger than any actual political accomplishment warrants.

[numberthirty]

Does that mean anything other than he was more willing to sink money into his campaign for attention? He won 0 delegates despite getting a ton of press and social media buzz. His media presence is much larger than any actual political accomplishment warrants.

Sure.

Let's say that this follow the same path that his campaign did(which, obviously, is not really a given...)

It means that he is most likely not just going to fold the first time the thing hits a speed bump.

[babyblob]

Sure.

Let's say that this follow the same path that his campaign did(which, obviously, is not really a given...)

It means that he is most likely not just going to fold the first time the thing hits a speed bump.

I have mixed feelings on that. The man craves attention. I am wondering if A his party as I said before doesnt gain the ground and coverage he wants if he will get pissed and just pack it in.

Or B and more likely to me he will play the political under dog victim how the big guys and media is out to get him that it will turn a lot of people off. Either way I dont see this lasting long term.

[numberthirty]

While I do support a try to get a new party off the ground to challenge what is happening now. Yang is not doing it because of policy. That statement kind of shows they dont seem to have one.

On guns, for instance, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to confiscate all guns and repeal the Second Amendment, but they’re also rightfully worried by the far right’s insistence on eliminating gun laws. On climate change, most Americans don’t agree with calls from the far left to completely upend our economy and way of life, but they also reject the far right’s denial that there is even a problem. On abortion, most Americans don’t agree with the far left’s extreme views on late-term abortions, but they also are alarmed by the far right’s quest to make a woman’s choice a criminal offense.

It really seems like the party is not making a stance so they can kind of chance it when they want.


But He seems to be starting this party out of spite. So I question how long it will last when it doesnt get the traction, press and support he feels it should.

Or...

They are just laying out reality as it most likely is.

If you ask your average American?

I get the feeling that they are not looking to amend the Constitution to eliminate the Second Amendment. They are looking for some sensible changes to current gun laws.

I also get the feeling that basic economic reality dictates that they will not be making the shift to an electric vehicle any time soon, and they are looking for a sensible path to the time where said reality dictates that they will still be driving a car that runs on gasoline.

None of what they are talking about seems all that far out.

Tough needle to thread?

Sure. To say the very least.

Particularly far out?

No.

[babyblob]

Or...

They are just laying out reality as it most likely is.

If you ask your average American?

I get the feeling that they are not looking to amend the Constitution to eliminate the Second Amendment. They are looking for some sensible changes to current gun laws.

I also get the feeling that basic economic reality dictates that they will not be making the shift to an electric vehicle any time soon, and they are looking for a sensible path to the time where said reality dictates that they will still be driving a car that runs on gasoline.

None of what they are talking about seems all that far out.

Tough needle to thread?

Sure. To say the very least.

Particularly far out?

No.

They are just not taking a stance.

People dont want the 2nd Amendment gone and guns taken. But they dont want the Right to strip all gun laws.

While saying nothing of where they stand on guns.

They dont say where they stand on climate change or abortion. They just point out the issues each side has. They never once took a stance on those issues.

It is pretty much this

"I hear what Group A has to say. And Group B I hear what you have to say."

"Well what do you have to say?"

"I say I hear what you both have to say."


If someone wants me to jump jump on their party they better tell me what they think of issues. Not just that they understand each side has different views and worries on the issues.