All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[JB]

Oh please. The same trip would be seen as "showing strength" by the media if conservatives did it. China is looking powerless with their sabre rattling. It's a big win for the free world.

I hope so but they're planning live-fire drills on all four sides of Taiwan, encircling the island in a greater scope than the Taiwan Strait crisis in '95-'96. It's never happened before and considering how quickly Putin's barking turned into a full blown invasion, nothing is off the table these days.

[hyped78]

I think shooshoomanjoe was being ironic with the psychosis comment?

[Catlady in training]

What you said is indeed not far left, but plenty of stuff written throughout these pages goes far, far beyond that

Like what? The only poster that usually presents far-left view here that I noticed is Zauriel and it doesn't seem to me they get much support.

[hyped78]

Like what? The only poster that usually presents far-left view here that I noticed is Zauriel and it doesn't seem to me they get much support.

A few random examples from different people (note: I am not saying these things are “wrong”, but I consider these opinions to be far left):
- The War on Terror was support for torture
- Stimulus package is/was deflationary or, at most, didn’t/ doesn’t create inflation
- Support for abortion without limits
- Support for trans conversion without limits
- Recognizing that the Nazis were evil and unjustified (which is totally correct) but that Stalin, Pol Pot etc. had a justification/ rationale for mass murder (“to stay in power”)
- “no truly moral human being can have Republican friends”
- Anti police rhetoric
I am sure most folks here do not consider these as "far left" because, well, because they are stuck in a far mentality.

Also, overall attitude of not being able to debate and simply resorting to name calling instead - something very typical of both far right and far left folks who think the world is just black and white.

[4saken1]

A few random examples from different people (note: I am not saying these things are “wrong”, but I consider these opinions to be far left):
- The War on Terror was support for torture
- Stimulus package is/was deflationary or, at most, didn’t/ doesn’t create inflation
- Support for abortion without limits
- Support for trans conversion without limits
- Recognizing that the Nazis were evil and unjustified (which is totally correct) but that Stalin, Pol Pot etc. had a justification/ rationale for mass murder (“to stay in power”)
- “no truly moral human being can have Republican friends”
- Anti police rhetoric

Also, overall attitude of not being able to debate and simply resorting to name calling instead - something very typical of both far right and far left folks who think the world is just black and white.

How much of the stated examples are actually what people have said vs what you inferred from their comments. i.e., if somebody makes a statement against the corruption and maintaining of the status quo among various police departments around the country, is that anti-police, or is that anti-corruption? Anti-corruption doesn't seem to be a far left position unless one is coming from the standpoint that an unfettered police state, free from any consequence, is somehow 'centrist'. Same goes for pretty much any other issue that you stated. Nobody thinks that abortion should be completely unrestricted right up until a woman is 10cm dilated! Roe v Wade had very reasonable allowances for the restrictions that states could put on abortion. Most think that there were factors which had a much larger influence on inflation than the stimulus packages. This is not an extreme left view. It is held by many economists. Trans conversion doesn't happen on a whim. Anywhere! I have not heard anybody say that there shouldn't be some kind of guidance by licensed therapists in order to proceed with it. If anybody did any of these, it was likely ignored and not gotten much, if any support.

[hyped78]

How much of the stated examples are actually what people have said vs what you inferred from their comments. i.e., if somebody makes a statement against the corruption and maintaining of the status quo among various police departments around the country, is that anti-police, or is that anti-corruption? Anti-corruption doesn't seem to be a far left position unless one is coming from the standpoint that an unfettered police state, free from any consequence, is somehow 'centrist'. Same goes for pretty much any other issue that you stated. Nobody thinks that abortion should be completely unrestricted right up until a woman is 10cm dilated! Roe v Wade had very reasonable allowances for the restrictions that states could put on abortion. Most think that there were factors which had a much larger influence on inflation than the stimulus packages. This is not an extreme left view. It is held by many economists. Trans conversion doesn't happen on a whim. Anywhere! I have not heard anybody say that there shouldn't be some kind of guidance by licensed therapists in order to proceed with it. If anybody did any of these, it was likely ignored and not gotten much, if any support.

I don’t have the time to go back and search for the actual quotes, but the folks who said these know who they are.

On your comments:

- Abortion - I asked what should be the limit, in weeks, for a legal abortion and nobody risked saying a number (in fact, more than that, I asked if there should even exist a limit!)
- The same for trans conversions, I asked what should be the min. age - apparently there should be no min. age to have trans surgery
- Inflation - I’m an economist myself. The comments that were written in previous pages said two things: 1) That the stimulus package had no effect on increasing inflation, 2) That the stimulus package actually reduces (reduced) inflation. Both comments were stated by different people and, of course, both comments are devoid of reality
Of course there are many other factors driving inflation, chiefly supply chain shocks, but it’s also obvious that the stimulus package created even more inflation in the US. As I stated before, that helps to explain why the US was at 9.1% in June 2022 vs. France at 5.8% and Germany at 7.6% as the two examples of the largest EU economies. Macroeconomically speaking, France and Germany have conditions that would theoretically drive higher inflation vs. the US, incl. that they do not set their own monetary police and the fact that they relied more on O&G imports from Germany/ they are not O&G producers (unlike the US).

My comment on far left and inflation is this: whoever thinks that a monetary, fiscal, or combination of those, expansionary policy doesn’t create inflation must be living in a Gulag.

[babyblob]

A few random examples from different people (note: I am not saying these things are “wrong”, but I consider these opinions to be far left):
- The War on Terror was support for torture
- Stimulus package is/was deflationary or, at most, didn’t/ doesn’t create inflation
- Support for abortion without limits
- Support for trans conversion without limits
- Recognizing that the Nazis were evil and unjustified (which is totally correct) but that Stalin, Pol Pot etc. had a justification/ rationale for mass murder (“to stay in power”)
- “no truly moral human being can have Republican friends”
- Anti police rhetoric
I am sure most folks here do not consider these as "far left" because, well, because they are stuck in a far mentality.

Also, overall attitude of not being able to debate and simply resorting to name calling instead - something very typical of both far right and far left folks who think the world is just black and white.

I cant go into all the things you listed.

I kind of zone out during the economic talk so I cant speak on that. I am sure the Stimulus sis add some. But I would think that the supply chain issues and gas prices and such had more to do with it. But what I know about the economy can fit on a post it note with room left over.

On the Trans issue of Conversion no one here posted about support it with out limits. Every poster that supported conversion talk made very clear mention of doctors and mental health professionals being involved and talking with the Tran Youth about these issues. But under the anti Trans laws being passed and supported the doctors and mental heath professionals can not even talk about these issues with the trans youth because that counts as gender care. Let alone full on conversion surgery.

The Anti Police. I cant think of more then one or two posters that talked about getting rid of all the police. Pretty much all of the talk has been about police reform. I am an Ex con who spent time in prison and I support the police. But there damn sure needs reform from what the current system is.

I cant remember anyone here posting that there should be no limits on abortion. You asked me about that and I said I do not agree with late term abortions and I can think of one poster on here that supports it unless there is a danger to the mothers life. The poster were just upset that abortion is being banned in all forms. including in caes of rape, incest, and in the mothers life being in danger. In Kentucky they passed this. Took effect today. No Rape or Incest clause and the docotrs have to bend over backward and jump through hoops to prove the mothers life is in danger.

Those three things are not far left views at all.

[Farealmer]

I think shooshoomanjoe was being ironic with the psychosis comment?

I don't think that lines up well with this post.

[Tami]

It doesn't look like I missed much.

I did hear this on the news, Trump said he endorsed 'Eric' because he doesn't care which Eric wins, he just wants credit for it.

[worstblogever]

It doesn't look like I missed much.

I did hear this on the news, Trump said he endorsed 'Eric' because he doesn't care which Eric wins, he just wants credit for it.

This is literally a VEEP episode written by a bot, isn't it?

[babyblob]

meanwhile in Arizona that nut job Lake who is Trump backed and goes full in on the big lie is already claiming fraud in the Arizona Primary. But of course wont site examples because she doesnt want to "Ruin the investigation."

I wonder if she wins if all the sudden the cases of fraud she claims to know about will just disappear as to not throw suspicion on her own win.

[Jack Dracula]

I haven't seen anything about this here yet.

Despite highly controversial racist comments, Victor Orban will be a guest speaker at CPAC in Dallas this week.

His speech was heavily criticized by Luxembourg and Finland, according to Politico. Orbán's ally and adviser Zsuzsanna Hegedus also condemned the speech and resigned in reaction to it, according to Bloomberg on Thursday.

"I don't know how you didn't notice that your speech you delivered is a purely Nazi diatribe worthy of Joseph Goebbels," Hegedus, said in a letter published by hvg.hu, adding that the "most vile racists" would find his remarks acceptable.

Instead of "despite" maybe I should've typed "because of".

Orbán landed an endorsement for his April reelection from former President Donald Trump, who has called him "a great leader" and "a great gentleman" in May during the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Budapest, according to Hungary Today.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson has praised the Hungarian leader over his conservative views that align with Republican ideas. He previously said that he visited the Hungarian border and saw "order and clarity," and claimed that the country's border wall "works" in fighting illegal immigration. At one point, Carlson praised the Hungarian government saying that it offers "a lot of lessons for the rest of us."

Some Republicans found Orbán's conservatism appealing enough to invite him to attend CPAC Texas on August 4 in Dallas.

It should be noted that CPAC held a special auxiliary meeting in Hungary in May of this year. Can there be any doubt that the Trump faction of the GOP admirers Orban and wants to do to the US what he's done to Hungary?

[Catlady in training]

A few random examples from different people (note: I am not saying these things are “wrong”, but I consider these opinions to be far left):

- The War on Terror was support for torture

Haven't seen such comment here, so I can't comment on it.

- Stimulus package is/was deflationary or, at most, didn’t/ doesn’t create inflation

Not far-left.

- Support for abortion without limits

Not far-left, nothing to do with right vs. left at all. Actually when you started to comment here, I thought oh, finally someone else who doesn't equate left with liberal and right with conservative so much. But I see you pick and choose it as it suits you.

- Support for trans conversion without limits

See above. You people who accuse all progressive liberals of being socialists/communists are so precious, no one can ever explain to me, why China or North Korea are not liberal havens.

- Recognizing that the Nazis were evil and unjustified (which is totally correct) but that Stalin, Pol Pot etc. had a justification/ rationale for mass murder (“to stay in power”)

No argument fom me regarding your view, both regimes are evil, communism has more victims but there is a point where one cannot quantify which evil is worse. I don't remember seeing anyone defending communist regimes here though. (But I noticed that people in western countries are more likely to pick Nazis as the ultimate villain.)

- “no truly moral human being can have Republican friends”

I think this is probably more of a personal thing, depending on how much one cares about politics. I for example couldn't have a Republican friend, but I understand that some people don't care what are their friends' political opinions because they just don't care that much about politics and probably don't even talk about it.

- Anti police rhetoric

Not far-left.

I am sure most folks here do not consider these as "far left" because, well, because they are stuck in a far mentality.

Also, overall attitude of not being able to debate and simply resorting to name calling instead - something very typical of both far right and far left folks who think the world is just black and white.

I think there's plenty of discussion here and it's pretty civil. If you want to see name calling, go watch some youtube comments, that's something else.

[Catlady in training]

It should be noted that CPAC held a special auxiliary meeting in Hungary in May of this year. Can there be any doubt that the Trump faction of the GOP admirers Orban and wants to do to the US what he's done to Hungary?

Daily Show did a special about it:


I still want to see everyone in US who praises Hungary be asked to find it on a map first.

[Gray Lensman]

- Anti police rhetoric

Not far-left.

Anyone who thinks anti-police rhetoric is automatically far left needs to look at the Libertarian Party.